Endurance.Net Ridecamp Archives

Hi Barb,

That is a very good question. There are more questions than I think 
answers here. One is "what is the long term effect of a ride" and how 
long does it last. When can we say "a incident of colic or fatality is 
not ride related, one day, two days, one week, etc?"  That is what is 
the period of the risk. It's interesting that we are now seeing more 
fatalities being uncovered related to horse racing after people started 
looking harder.

As far as the AERC, if a rider takes the horse home the day of a ride 
and he develops colic the next day and dies three days later, there are 
several questions.
1. Would the AERC know about it?
2. How should the AERC track such things?
3. Is it directly related to the ride, is it from the trailer ride, etc?
...

Truman

Barb Kemerer wrote:
> I know we have to go with the statistics that are available and I 
> believe Truman used the day of and day after the ride. What about 
> those people who finish the ride (25 and 50s) and throw their horse on 
> the trailer and go home. It seems like this is becoming more prevalent 
> at least in the Northeast.
> Barb Kemerer
>
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Eric Rueter 
> <Eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> 
> wrote:
>
>     Truman,
>      
>         I by no means am a statistician, nor a mathematician, nor a
>     physicist -- or even a good speller.  But I would like to know if
>     this makes a difference.  When you are looking at the death rates
>     from the comparison study, are they not based on individual horses
>     only counted once in a given time frame, and when you are looking
>     at AERC stats you may be counting the same horse multiple times,
>     across multiple years?  Does that really make a good comparison? 
>     If not which way would it skew the results? 
>      
>     thanx eric
>     Eric Rueter
>     Rueter Consulting, Inc.
>     Eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>     865.988.4134(W)
>     865.599.3594(C)
>     865.986.5966(H)
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         *From:* Truman Prevatt <mailto:tprevatt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>         *To:* Ridecamp <mailto:ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ;
>         AERCMembersForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>         <mailto:AERCMembersForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>         *Sent:* Friday, June 20, 2008 7:51 AM
>         *Subject:* [AERCMembersForum] Analysis of Fatalities Rates
>
>         This paper documents an analysis of the fatality rate of deaths
>         associated with AERC rides. The fatalities for the years of
>         2003 through
>         2007 are
>         considered. The reason to look at this question now is with in
>         excess of
>         110,000 starts in
>         this five year period, the sample size is sufficient to
>         statistically
>         differentiate small
>         proportions with a reasonable confidence. The data
>         are analyzed with the AERC fatalities broken into four
>         categories. The
>         first is all the
>         fatalities. The second is the fatalities in the one day 100
>         mile events.
>         The third is the
>         fatalities in the "fifty" mile events (all rides except one
>         day 100 and
>         LD rides). The final
>         category is LD. The question of do horses die at a higher
>         proportion as
>         a result of colic in
>         endurance that in the general population is also addressed.
>
>         Enjoy.
>
>         http://www.seraonline.org/pdf/death%20rate%20analysis.pdf
>
>         Truman
>
>         __._,_.___
>         Messages in this topic
>         
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AERCMembersForum/message/20014;_ylc=X3oDMTM3amlqdGg4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMDE2MjkzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTg5MzYyOARtc2dJZAMyMDAxNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyMTM5NjI3MDQEdHBjSWQDMjAwMTQ->(1)
>         Reply (via web post)
>         
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AERCMembersForum/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyZGkzNG1oBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMDE2MjkzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTg5MzYyOARtc2dJZAMyMDAxNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyMTM5NjI3MDQ-?act=reply&messageNum=20014>|
>         Start a new topic
>         
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AERCMembersForum/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmYWdnamFmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMDE2MjkzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTg5MzYyOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyMTM5NjI3MDQ->
>         Messages
>         
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AERCMembersForum/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJmaDAzdmVkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMDE2MjkzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTg5MzYyOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNtc2dzBHN0aW1lAzEyMTM5NjI3MDQ->
>         | Files
>         
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AERCMembersForum/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJnbzNhZTJlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMDE2MjkzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTg5MzYyOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNmaWxlcwRzdGltZQMxMjEzOTYyNzA0>
>         | Photos
>         
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AERCMembersForum/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcGc1azc4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMDE2MjkzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTg5MzYyOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNwaG90BHN0aW1lAzEyMTM5NjI3MDQ->
>         | Links
>         
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AERCMembersForum/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJnbXY2amxkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMDE2MjkzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTg5MzYyOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNsaW5rcwRzdGltZQMxMjEzOTYyNzA0>
>         | Database
>         
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AERCMembersForum/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZDUyNWJrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMDE2MjkzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTg5MzYyOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNkYgRzdGltZQMxMjEzOTYyNzA0>
>         | Members
>         
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AERCMembersForum/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNGlqbzQwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMDE2MjkzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTg5MzYyOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNtYnJzBHN0aW1lAzEyMTM5NjI3MDQ->
>         | Calendar
>         
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AERCMembersForum/calendar;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZGlyaGxvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMDE2MjkzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTg5MzYyOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNjYWwEc3RpbWUDMTIxMzk2MjcwNA-->
>
>         MARKETPLACE
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         Attention, Yahoo! Groups users!
>         
> <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13r2f8mh7/M=624381.12730922.13032918.10835568/D=groups/S=1705893628:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1213969904/L=/B=icZXBkJe5FU-/J=1213962704799480/A=5396679/R=0/SIG=14efpdn06/*http://media.adrevolver.com/adrevolver/href?banner=197790&place=26143&url_=http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/display.com?cid=bbi00027>Sign
>         up now for a one-month free trial from Blockbuster. Limited
>         time offer.
>         
> <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13r2f8mh7/M=624381.12730922.13032918.10835568/D=groups/S=1705893628:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1213969904/L=/B=icZXBkJe5FU-/J=1213962704799480/A=5396679/R=1/SIG=14efpdn06/*http://media.adrevolver.com/adrevolver/href?banner=197790&place=26143&url_=http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/display.com?cid=bbi00027>
>         Yahoo! Groups
>         
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJldnNlMDk5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMDE2MjkzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTg5MzYyOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTIxMzk2MjcwNA-->
>
>         Change settings via the Web
>         
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AERCMembersForum/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJnanJqYWI3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMDE2MjkzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTg5MzYyOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNzdG5ncwRzdGltZQMxMjEzOTYyNzA0>
>         (Yahoo! ID required)
>         Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest
>         
> <mailto:AERCMembersForum-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=Email+Delivery:+Digest>
>         | Switch format to Traditional
>         
> <mailto:AERCMembersForum-traditional@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=Change+Delivery+Format:+Traditional>
>
>         Visit Your Group
>         
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AERCMembersForum;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbzkzOHBmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMDE2MjkzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTg5MzYyOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3RpbWUDMTIxMzk2MjcwNA-->|
>         Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use
>         <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>| Unsubscribe
>         <mailto:AERCMembersForum-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=>
>         Recent Activity
>
>            *
>                2
>               New Members
>               
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AERCMembersForum/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJnbHJhYTBlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMDE2MjkzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTg5MzYyOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMjEzOTYyNzA0>
>
>         Visit Your Group
>         
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AERCMembersForum;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMG8xN2pwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMDE2MjkzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTg5MzYyOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyMTM5NjI3MDQ->
>         Health Zone
>
>         Look your best!
>         
> <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13opo7kcv/M=493064.12016236.12445728.9977693/D=groups/S=1705893628:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1213969904/L=/B=isZXBkJe5FU-/J=1213962704799480/A=4430620/R=0/SIG=11fhbjsi1/*http://promotions.yahoo.com/healthandfitness/>
>
>         Groups to help you
>
>         look & feel great.
>
>         Drive Traffic
>
>         Sponsored Search
>         
> <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13o1objrb/M=493064.12016255.12445662.8674578/D=groups/S=1705893628:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1213969904/L=/B=i8ZXBkJe5FU-/J=1213962704799480/A=4025338/R=0/SIG=12jnci1fd/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44092/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/srch/index.php>
>
>         can help increase
>
>         your site traffic.
>
>         Learn to live
>
>         a full life with these
>         
> <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13o8vsrig/M=493064.12662709.12980595.8674578/D=groups/S=1705893628:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1213969904/L=/B=jMZXBkJe5FU-/J=1213962704799480/A=5349281/R=0/SIG=11ks6tatn/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/HealthyLiving/>
>
>         healthy living
>
>         groups on Yahoo!
>
>         .
>
>         __,_._,___ 


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net.
Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp
Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp

Ride Long and Ride Safe!!

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=