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RE: [RC] [RC] Descanso disasters, vol 2 - Kitley, Carrie E Civ USAF AFSPC 30 MDSS/SGSLFThanks for that, Maryanne. That's very interesting. I agree with your last statement too. Carrie Kitley 30th Medical Group, Vandenberg AFB DMLSS?Database Sustainment Specialist (DSS) CACI?International Inc? www.caci.com dsn?276-1077, Comm (805) 606-1077 fax dsn?276-1179 <\_~ // \\ carrie.kitley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx? -----Original Message----- From: Maryanne Gabbani [mailto:msgabbani@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:45 PM To: Kitley, Carrie E Civ USAF AFSPC 30 MDSS/SGSLF Cc: Terry Banister; sherman; ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [RC] Descanso disasters, vol 2 My take on it was that most of the horses who were not allowed to drink a lot while hot were horses kept in stalls/barns with access to water that was limited so they were not accustomed to having water available all the time and might over do it. When I first had horses in Egypt, they had to live in box stalls and water was given in a bucket (lest the box get wet if the horse should kick it over) a number of times a day...depending on the groom's whim (yes, we have grooms here who take care of horses...big labour market). Sometimes it was a fight to get enough water for horses and these rules about not drinking were enforced. Now my horses live in paddocks with access to multiple bathtubs of fresh water 24/7 and water isn't an issue. Most endurance horses are kept in situations with free access to water all the time since having them well hydrated is a key concern. Horses that can drink as much as they want whenever they want usually don't over do it. To be honest, a lot of the conventional "barn" wisdom is actually pretty unwise. Maryanne On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:34 AM, Kitley, Carrie E Civ USAF AFSPC 30 MDSS/SGSLF <carrie.kitley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: That's the way I was taught too, as a kid. Maybe with some endurance horses, "tanking-up" causes problems. I don't know. Carrie Kitley 30th Medical Group, Vandenberg AFB DMLSS Database Sustainment Specialist (DSS) CACI International Inc www.caci.com dsn 276-1077, Comm (805) 606-1077 fax dsn 276-1179 <\_~ // \\ carrie.kitley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: Terry Banister [mailto:ebeyrider@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 2:27 PM To: Kitley, Carrie E Civ USAF AFSPC 30 MDSS/SGSLF; sherman; ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [RC] Descanso disasters, vol 2 I was a hot-walker at a TB track for two seasons. As soon as horse got back from the finish line, we hosed/scraped it, then started walking it around the shedrow, which had a bucket at each end. Allow a few gulps, then start walking again to the other end. Hot horse drinking water is good ~ but not too much at one time! No tanking up! Terry "May the Horse be with you" > Subject: RE: [RC] Descanso disasters, vol 2 > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:28:59 -0700 > From: carrie.kitley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: sherman@xxxxxxxxxxx; ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > When I was a kid and had horses, one of the standard rules of thumb after riding a hard ride, was NOT to let the horse drink and eat immediately. We were to walk them around for a bit, get them relaxed and cooled, THEN allow them to drink and eat to avoid a colic incident. > One of the differences I've noticed in this sport is that we are to let the horses eat and drink right away. Drinking right away, I can certainly get behind, but just curious as to why the eating is allowed so immediately these days. Things are definitely different now. I'm not saying it's wrong, just making a point about past vs present standards of horsecare. I know we've come a long way. Maybe there was something to the old ways? I'm not a vet, so I honestly don't know. I let my horse eat and drink whenever she wants, and when she does, I'm THRILLED because she seems to think she's a camel. =) > > Carrie Kitley > <\_~ > // \\ > > carrie.kitley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of sherman > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:02 PM > To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [RC] Descanso disasters, vol 2 > > Even with rapid HR recoveries and many mini-checks (I do exactly what you > suggest, checking HR and seeing that they can recover every time we stop for > any reason) a colic can sneak up. It happened to Shadow 43 miles into a > ride. She always pulsed down to below 60 within 2 or 3 min. at the most, and > we'd been riding conservatively, not letting the HRs go much over 135. At > the 43 mile check, she pulsed down in about 2 minutes, as usual, then ate > and drank, then we went and vetted, all okay, then we go back to let the > horses eat more and Shadow starts staggering and trying to fall down. We > rushed to the vet and she had no gut sounds now, this was within 10 minutes > after we'd vetted and gut sounds had been fine, HR 48. So sometimes, it's > just a matter of $#&T happens. Fortunately, Shadow recovered after one shot > of banamine, then started eating again and gut sounds were back in about 30 > minutes, no trip to the hospital or fluids, just hours of monitoring her > condition. > > Kathy > > Hello Ed, > > You are right that many factors enter in and I agree that the 10min 60bpm is > simple but no guarantee. What I was getting at was to use every stop to > check recovery for a while to prevent a buildup of heat or stress or > dehydration or whatever, sort of like a string of mini training rides > instead of the big vet check to vet check push. Gives a rider a better > chance to recognize trouble sooner and also learn what kind of trail and > speed causes the worst recovery times for their horse. Definitely not gonna > get top ten on that routine, just dinner. ;-) > > Don Huston > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. > Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp > Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp > > Ride Long and Ride Safe!! > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. > Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp > Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp > > Ride Long and Ride Safe!! > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ________________________________ Earn cashback on your purchases with Live Search - the search that pays you back! 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