Re: [RC] [RC] [RC] Rascal and the Hackamore - Bonnie DavisThe hackamore bit should sit with noseband just above the soft nose tissue. (To low and one will cut the air off when horse breaths.) Shanks centered just above corners of mouth. Curb chain is above groove in chin about an inch. The whole hackamore bit should fit the horse's face. The nose band sits above and fits over the nose to top of shanks -- no space. The curb chain fits under jaw and has enough room for maybe about a little finger tip. There shouldn't be a finger or two. The idea is to have instant contact when pulling back on reins which is why its so IMPORTANT to have good hands and ride light -- no pulling or tugging on reins. Going back to the 60's, mechanical hackamore bits used to be considered the 'bit of last resort' for horses that ran through bits and used to be seen on a lot of gymkhana and rope horses. When the mechanical hackamore was first put on Flint, he tried to run through it once or twice and soon learned a quick jerk hurt. So he gave up trying to take the bit and run through it. After about 3 months use, Flint was a horse you just shifted weigh on and he moved in that direction. Flint was the only horse I've used a mechanical hackamore on and as I've said, my Quarter Horse, Sig, is in a regular hackamore. There is a difference. The mechanical hackamore has a chain under chin and noseband with reins attached to shanks all on a headstall. The regular hackamore has a bosel from which double reins are taken from a knot under the jaw line. The knot is adjusted for various pressure. Personally, I like the hackamore because I like the way it looks on Sig plus he has nothing in his mouth so I think he likes it better to. Bonnie Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Durgin" <ladurgin@xxxxxxx> To: <eyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <Ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] [RC] Rascal and the Hackamore Yeah , that is it! Holy cow, this horse has a longer face and nose. When I put the noseband where it would be as in a bridle with bit, the shanks are at the end of his mouth. He has less distance from his nose to ground than this horse(polish crabbet type arab). His head is lip around poll to lip 44"(just measured.)Maybe I still have it too low,but the chinstrap fit in the groove.Also the noseband may be too snug. I gave it one finger space. Should it be looser?From: "C. Eyler" <eyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Laurie Durgin" <ladurgin@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Rascal and the Hackamore Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:46:14 -0500 Is the EZ hackamore at this link what you're talking about?http://runningbear.com/catalog/display.php3?cartid=3e1247f03c1fd&zid=1&lid= 1&cat=3&scat=17 Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurie Durgin To: milamj@xxxxxxxxxxx ; Ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: RE: [RC] [RC] Rascal and the Hackamore Noseband 1.5 inches above the corners of his mouth? (Jumping hack. so it has these flat plates like shanks , and a leather fleece lined noseband. Shanks parralell his mouth and end about where his mouth does(so when he grazed with it, they almost or barely touched the ground). I put the noseband where you'd normally put a noseband, and the chin strap in his groove.(like I would for a pelham). Never actually seen one in a picture . May have to peruse ridecamp pictures for a "hack" picture. . . . . >From: Jerry & Susan Milam <milamj@xxxxxxxxxxx> >To: Laurie Durgin <ladurgin@xxxxxxx> >Subject: RE: [RC] Rascal and the Hackamore >Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 23:10:56 -0600 > >You want that noseband so it sits about 1.5" from the corner of his mouth. >Does that make sence? > >Susan > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Laurie Durgin > > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 9:39 PM > > To: Ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [RC] Rascal and the Hackamore > > > > > > Well we did about 45 min. in ring today(will he stop,or buck with this > > thing?) was playing in my mind. First off I had to find > > somethingto put it > > on. His biothane wouldn't work , I'd have to take noseband off(or > > have 2), > > and take his bit off the keepers that snap off(very time consuming). His > > English leather bridle wouldn't work.Ah , but I use a western > > headstall on > > Honey that adjust to fit most horses.So I took her bit off and > > put the hack > > on, where I thought it should go and put it on him. ROTFL. The > > 'hack' came > > down to his lips,and the noseband was about at his nostrils.So I took >the > > straps all the way up,to where it looked like maybe it should > > go.(course the > > bottom edges of the hack go to the bottom of his lips. hhhmmmm."Well the > > noseband looks like it is in the right place, at least it covers up the > > Roman bump there and the fleece nicely disguishes it. They may think >that > > dish goes straight instead of bumping back up."(well I am female) > > Proceeding to the ring.I gave him a couple ground turns with it > > on and a few > > "ho's".So maybe he'd get the idea.("So far ,so good I thought, actually > > those cheek pieces act like large flat full snaffle pieces and he > > is used to > > that.") > > I mount(lets try the right side today).I drop reins and go into > > my JL give > > to the ???"hack" technique. (well, it works, heck he's a horse, maybe he > > doesn't know or care). > > Then we do some walk, stop.Hey it works, better than yesterday > > maybe. Then I > > test with walk, trot, transitions, and a few, ho's. He did much > > better than > > yesterday(rubber snaffle then, still got the tooth thing to deal > > with ,till > > vet comes out).Even cantered some.(he was lazy, still doesn't > > like to canter > > in ring much.Didn't have to use "alot of weight to make him stop, > > though I > > gave light pressure only increasing if he didn't listen.But it took less > > "pressure" than the snaffle did yesterday. Will take some more > > days in the > > ring, before I try it on the trail.(told my husband and sons, "if you >see > > him galloping home and me screaming "ho,ho,HO ALPO!!!!!" you'll know it > > doesn't work as well on the trail.( or maybe I can blackmail, > > bribe, etc. > > my daughter and Champ to go out for an hour with me first.(course > > he moves > > to her new trainers next weekend, and rain is coming in > > tomorrow.The things > > you have to do to get huntseat riders to trailride.:0) Laurie and > > Rascal("are you sure this is where this funny metal bars go and > > why do they > > have those 3 holes in each side?") > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7 >324&DI=7474&SU=http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmoresp a >m_3mf > > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. > Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp > Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp > > Ride Long and Ride Safe!! > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. 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