Re: [RC] okay, another question - Elizabeth Walker
Nope. I'm saying that someone who entered an event, then was disqualified, is expected to "retire from the lists", so to speak. They can ride on the trails. However, as a **DQ'd contestant**, they cannot ride those trails in a manner that makes it seem as if they are still partaking in the event; i.e., right along with the rest of the contestants.
It has nothing to do with USFS - the person's status is not "casual trail rider enjoying the park", their status is "disqualified contestant". Different thing, and USFS is not involved.
On Apr 6, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Truman Prevatt wrote:
So you tell me that if I am at a major USFS equestrian campground and my camping contract is with the USFS and not an AERC ride manager. The AERC has a use permit but not no-exclusive use of the trails - that is the trails are open to the public as normal falling under USFS rules and regulations. That if I decide to enter a the ride and for whatever am not allowed to enter that the AERC can tell me I cannot ride on the trails that day. I would welcome that fight any day. I expect I would win.
A special use permit does not give the AERC or a RM control or management over the public lands during the ride.
Truman
Elizabeth Walker wrote:
I don't quite see the relevance of the 'public land' issue in this particular case - a person entered the ride and presented for the pre-ride check, at which time they were disqualified.
Since the rider was DQ'd at the pre-ride check, I would expect that riding any portion of the marked trail at the same time as other riders should fall under this rule. It doesn't matter that the horse was DQd for reasons other than health - in this case especially - since it was DQ'd for dangerous behavior.
On Apr 6, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Truman Prevatt wrote:
Barbara,
A ride run on public trails on public land is not the Boston Marathon- where the city closes the streets for the event just as St. Pete, FL closes the streets for the St. Pete Grand Prix. The KY Derby is run on private property. When is the last time a public land managers has closed it's trails to all other users and allowed only AERC members on the trails. No the AERC does not have to modify it's rules on a regular basis - however the AERC must realize where it's jurisdiction begins and ends.
A special use permit from a public land manager does not give a RM the authority to run the facility - it gives the RM permission for non-exclusive use the facility for a special event - nothing more.
If a ride is run on private trails - then the RM is in charge of everything from the time the riders show up till the go leave. If it is on public land the AERC is a user just like all the other users.
Truman
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