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I had a long conversation about the Coggins regulation a couple years 
back with a Dep Commissioner of Ag in charge of Animal industries. What 
he said was the law says a Coggins has to accompany a horse in FL when 
it is being "moved." Being ridden falls under their definition of being 
moved. I've been check for Coggins on the trail while riding twice in 
the past two years. One was by Fish and Game law enforcement (most DOA 
land is a WMA) so both Dept of Ag law enforcement and Fish and Game law 
enforcement have jurisdiction. I've also been checked by DOA law 
enforcement. I think if you ask anyone that rides regularly in Seminole 
State Forest you will find they get checked regularly on the trail.

As far as organized events, if a DOA inspector shows up and finds a 
horse without a negative Coggins - both the owner of the horse and the 
event organizer can be fined. While the organizer can't fine a person - 
they can call DOA. An Ag inspector showed up a ride on the Panhandle a 
few years back and checked all the Coggins.

At a KY ride several years back a KY ag dept agent showed up and got 
quite up set when not all the paperwork was in place for all the horses. 
He didn't fine anyone but did write warning tickets and warned that he 
would be back to that ride and the next time it would be fines. Of 
course as far as I know that's the only time they came.

The Coggins laws are somewhat silly but in reality I'd rather we have 
them than not. They won't stop everything but they will make it more 
difficult for people to bring infected horses into FL. We had 19 horses 
die from EIA last year. It's somewhat a nuisance - but a copy of my 
Coggins is on my horse. The way I look at it if I come disconnected to 
my horse at least he has some identification.

Truman

oddfarm wrote:
> The rule,  (5C-18.010) according the FL Dept. of Ag. does NOT say that 
> is must be on all persons at all times. It says,
> (2) Negative EIA Test for Assembly. Horses which are congregated at 
> public or private assemblies must have a report of a negative EIA test 
> conducted within the previous 12 months. Such assemblies include 
> boarding stables and pastures, shows, exhibitions, fairs, rodeos, 
> racetracks, trailrides and any other public or private assemblies. The 
> test must be reported on VS Form 10-11 (Apr 90).
>
>
>
> It doesn't specify who is responsible for enforcing this rule at 
> "assemblies". I don't have the power to enforce the speed limit on my 
> road so why would I have the authority to enforce an agricultural 
> rule? (and it is worded as a rule, not a law) As it is, a horse could 
> be exposed and infected days after testing but still be negative for 
> the next 11 months or so.
>
> Of course, if I were putting on a ride and someone showed me an out of 
> date coggins, I would turn them away. But, when would I see this 
> paper? AFTER they had already unloaded their horse and have probably 
> been on the property and around the other horses for a day or two. 
> What good does it do at registration? What good would it do for a park 
> ranger to ask for your paper when you have been riding and camping 
> with other horses for a day or longer? The time for it to be enforced 
> is BEFORE the horse is unloaded from the trailer.
>
>
>
> I think the Ag. Dept. realizes the "coggins paper" is just about as 
> worthless as it can be. It is just a way for them to LOOK like they 
> know what is going on. JMO.
>
>
>
> Lisa Salas, The Oddf ARm
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Truman Prevatt" 
> <tprevatt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Karen Standefer" <kstandefer@xxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "'sherman'" <sherman@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 2:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [RC] Coggins
>
>
> > I don't know about any other state but in FL you cannot "move" a 
> > horse without a negative Coggins. By move that means even riding it. 
> > When we ride on public land we have to carry our Coggins with us - 
> > and you will most likely have it checked at some time or another. 
> > When you transport  a horse on public roads you must have a Coggins 
> > with you. That's the law. I think most states in the East have 
> > similar laws, however, they might not be a stringent as Florida's.
> >
> > Since a horse cannot be moved without a Coggines - if you are buying 
> > a horse he/she needs a Coggins before you buy him unless you are not 
> > going to move the horse.
> >
> > If I were buying a horse, it would have a negative Coggins before I 
> > considered it.
> >
> > As far as health certificate - which requires a negative Coggins - I 
> > view as a private treaty between seller and buyer. Generating the 
> > paperwork for a health certificate I consider part of the vet exam. 
> > Normally the buyer pays that.
> >
> > Truman
> >
> > Karen Standefer wrote:
> > > The health cert. is specifically for moving the horse and requires the
> > > "from" and "to" locations. Personally I think it should be the
> > > responsibility of the buyer.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-
> > > > owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of sherman
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:29 AM
> > > > To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [RC] Coggins
> > > >
> > > > If the horse is positive it can’t be moved, right? If I were the buyer
> > > > I’d
> > > > be requesting the horse have a clear Coggins and health certificate
> > > > before
> > > > the check was handed over to the seller. It is probably negotiable who
> > > > pays
> > > > the vet. Do any of the states even regulate who pays for the tests?
> > > > Which
> > > > state are you referring to?
> > > >
> > > > Kathy
> > >
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