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Yep.   I'm not a beginner, and I have had lessons, but I am much  
better just glancing down to see which diagonal I'm on, rather than  
trying to feel the haunch.  I also find it easier to tell when the  
shoulder is back; i.e. foot on the ground, rather than forward.  If I  
want to check the diagonal, I take a quick peek as I hit the top of  
the "up" to see if that leg is on the ground.  So, rather than "rise  
and fall with the leg on the wall", my saying is "stand on the inside  
leg".  It has always seemed simpler for me.  Guess I just have to  
remember that the terminology is backwards.  I guess if I think of it  
as having originated in England, where they drive on the wrong side  
of the road, I'll be alright.  :)


On Apr 16, 2007, at 9:46 AM, Beverley H. Kane, MD wrote:

> Yes it's a bit strange. Biomechanically, the diagonals should  
> probably be
> named for the hind side that provides the main thrust, in which  
> case the
> naming convention would be opposite to what it is now. It's  
> probably easier,
> esp for beginners, to look down and see the shoulder than feel the  
> haunch.
>
>
> On 4/16/07 9:14 AM, "Beth Walker" <bwalker2@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Hmmm ... so, when traveling to the left ( counterclockwise) on a
> > circle, you are on the "right" diagonal, and vice versa?  That just
> > seems strange  :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Apr 16, 2007, at 8:55 AM, Beverley H. Kane, MD wrote:
> >
> > > Beth - Conventionally, the names of the diagonals are opposite to
> > > what you
> > > describe. Diagonals are named for the shoulder you rise on. (Or, in
> > > your and
> > > Barabara M's scheme of things, the shoulder opposite the one you
> > > sit for.)
> > >
> > > The naming conventions don't really matter, as long as you're
> > > consistent
> > > with naming, can feel where you are, and know how to change.
> > >
> > > B
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/16/07 8:43 AM, "Beth Walker" <bwalker2@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is how I was taught, too, so I'm getting a bit confused  
> > > > with the
> > > > discussion about which diagonal to use for slopes.
> > > >
> > > > For me, when going on a clockwise circle (right side to the  
> > > > inside of
> > > > the circle), I will be "up" when the right front foot is on the
> > > > ground.  To me, that is the "right" diagonal.  Going the other
> > > > direction (left side to the inside of the circle), I am "up"  
> > > > when the
> > > > left front foot is on the ground, so it is the "left" diagonal.   
> > > > That
> > > > makes more sense to me, since everything is either "left" or  
> > > > "right".
> > > >
> > > > With that definition -- if you are trotting on a slope, with the  
> > > > high
> > > > side to the right, do you post on the left or right diagonal?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Apr 13, 2007, at 9:01 AM, Tx Trigger wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I was not taught by watching the shoulders of the horse move,  
> > > > > but by
> > > > > watching the horses foot hit the ground. Maybe this was easier for
> > > > > them to
> > > > > explain to a 9 year old kid. I dunno. Anyway, in an arena when the
> > > > > front
> > > > > hoof towards the inside of the ring hit the ground out in front
> > > > > of the
> > > > > horse, you are "up".  Thus, if going counterclock wise in a ring,
> > > > > with the
> > > > > left side of the horse to the inside of the ring, you would be on
> > > > > the "left"
> > > > > diagonal, and in the rise, or "up" when that left front hit the
> > > > > ground in
> > > > > front of the horse.  Also, as a kid, I was taught to sit the two
> > > > > beats to
> > > > > change diagonals, but later learned to stay "up" and light and
> > > > > balanced for
> > > > > the two beats, and it was smoother and easier on the horse. The
> > > > > problem some
> > > > > have is they have to lean way out and over to the side to see the
> > > > > foot hit
> > > > > the ground in the beginning, but as one rides more, you can feel
> > > > > it, or hear
> > > > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > I prefer the right diagonal , so I just remind myself to change to
> > > > > the left
> > > > > when I think about it, and in turn, I ride both fairly even. As
> > > > > far as
> > > > > sloped trails, I seem to feel which has that more balanced feel as
> > > > > we trot.
> > > > >
> > > > > I remember when Erin McChesney (Klentos) won Tevis the first
> > > > > time, she
> > > > > mentioned her dressage background, and what diagonals she was on
> > > > > for certain
> > > > > types of trails. I think it does make a difference, but just can't
> > > > > remember
> > > > > all of what she said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jonni
> > > > >
> > > > >
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