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Re: [RC] diagonals - Beverley H. Kane, MD

Yes it's a bit strange. Biomechanically, the diagonals should probably be
named for the hind side that provides the main thrust, in which case the
naming convention would be opposite to what it is now. It's probably easier,
esp for beginners, to look down and see the shoulder than feel the haunch.


On 4/16/07 9:14 AM, "Beth Walker" <bwalker2@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Hmmm ... so, when traveling to the left ( counterclockwise) on a
circle, you are on the "right" diagonal, and vice versa?  That just
seems strange  :)



On Apr 16, 2007, at 8:55 AM, Beverley H. Kane, MD wrote:

Beth - Conventionally, the names of the diagonals are opposite to
what you
describe. Diagonals are named for the shoulder you rise on. (Or, in
your and
Barabara M's scheme of things, the shoulder opposite the one you
sit for.)

The naming conventions don't really matter, as long as you're
consistent
with naming, can feel where you are, and know how to change.

B


On 4/16/07 8:43 AM, "Beth Walker" <bwalker2@xxxxxxx> wrote:

This is how I was taught, too, so I'm getting a bit confused with the
discussion about which diagonal to use for slopes.

For me, when going on a clockwise circle (right side to the inside of
the circle), I will be "up" when the right front foot is on the
ground.  To me, that is the "right" diagonal.  Going the other
direction (left side to the inside of the circle), I am "up" when the
left front foot is on the ground, so it is the "left" diagonal.  That
makes more sense to me, since everything is either "left" or "right".

With that definition -- if you are trotting on a slope, with the high
side to the right, do you post on the left or right diagonal?


On Apr 13, 2007, at 9:01 AM, Tx Trigger wrote:

I was not taught by watching the shoulders of the horse move, but by
watching the horses foot hit the ground. Maybe this was easier for
them to
explain to a 9 year old kid. I dunno. Anyway, in an arena when the
front
hoof towards the inside of the ring hit the ground out in front
of the
horse, you are "up".  Thus, if going counterclock wise in a ring,
with the
left side of the horse to the inside of the ring, you would be on
the "left"
diagonal, and in the rise, or "up" when that left front hit the
ground in
front of the horse.  Also, as a kid, I was taught to sit the two
beats to
change diagonals, but later learned to stay "up" and light and
balanced for
the two beats, and it was smoother and easier on the horse. The
problem some
have is they have to lean way out and over to the side to see the
foot hit
the ground in the beginning, but as one rides more, you can feel
it, or hear
it.

I prefer the right diagonal , so I just remind myself to change to
the left
when I think about it, and in turn, I ride both fairly even. As
far as
sloped trails, I seem to feel which has that more balanced feel as
we trot.

I remember when Erin McChesney (Klentos) won Tevis the first
time, she
mentioned her dressage background, and what diagonals she was on
for certain
types of trails. I think it does make a difference, but just can't
remember
all of what she said.

Jonni


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Beverley Kane, MD
Program Director, Medicine and Horses
Stanford School of Medicine
650-868-3379
http://familymed.stanford.edu/
http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2006/august23/med-
horses-082306.html

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Beverley Kane, MD
Program Co-Director, Medicine and Horses
Stanford School of Medicine
Center for Education in Family and Community Medicine
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Palo Alto, CA 94305-5408
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