"Bees get a bad rap. Very few of the crimes charged to them are true."-----------Well, I can tell you and my horses could tell you, if they could talk, that from personal experience these particular ground hornets deserve their bad reputation. We've been nailed so many times I'm surprised the horses don't go nuts going by there. We've tried the pass quietly as far away as we can approach, and the run as fast as we can approach and the bees have won every single time. I thought maybe only the queen survives the winter and we might be able to pour dirt down in the hole and fill it up. Linda