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Re: [RC] [RC] parelli - Diana Peterson


WOW ...the heat is on in ridecamp...i thought i add my two cents.

I have been doing Parelli for 4 years now.
I have lerned a lot.!!!..
NOT every body has had the chance to have horses there WHOLE life.I didn't have anybody to show me how things worked.But i knew one thing i loved horses. I started out later in live to ride and have horses. I didn't know all the things i now know ...on how to handle a horse, clean there feet and clean them . With PArelli and Lyons i had a MAP they showed me how to do the things i didn't know how. Like bath my horse ...help him to be not afraid of the water in his face or on his body. I had no friends and neighbors to help me, my family is not into horses... So i had to find a way to learn... Anderson .Lyons and Parelli have done that for me .
I also did a riding clinic with Jack Brainard. and Christy Rains.

We can ALL learn from those people . So what is all the fuss about ??

By the way ....there is Parelli like equipment on www.silverdollarqh.com for a lot less .


Diana and Passo:-)

From: "Karen Sullivan" <greymare56@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Chrystal Woodhouse" <Chrystal@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
CC: <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [RC]   de spooking/trainers
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 02:17:06 -0700


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Chrystal Woodhouse


A horse that is "Parelli" trained is not disrespectful, rude or dangerous-- the whole point of the system is the opposite- I have had great success with his level one stuff as have quite a few of my friends. Parrelli has not reinvented the wheel here- his stuff is basically good horsemanship/training practices, all he has done is to market them in a package that explains in simple,easy terms the basics of training- instead of learning the hard way over 30 years!

*I am not saying everything he is teaching is wrong or bad; you are exactly right in that it is
all packaged....the good and bad....I am not claiming to know everything, but sure didn't take me
30 years to learn common sense horse handling! Gosh, my sister and I, ages 14 and 16 basically
reformed a somewhat wild and spooky mare into a useful horse without any "Parelli Package", by
combinations of good doses of COMMON SENSE and reading every horse book in library....gee, we put this together in a year or so....but all the good training Parelli teaches is, in my book, no excuse for all the dangerous stuff!

If you have a horse that did not move over with very little pressure there is no way anyone was doing Parelli with him- just because someone say's he is trained that way doesn't make it so!! I think the name/system is starting to get thrown around with people having very little idea of what they are talking about. ( I mean this in general.)
*Horse came from Parelli traiing.....

I agree with you about the child w/out a helmet, write them a letter! However I have yet to see a picture of a western child or adult doing barrel racing- steer roping etc.. with a helmet on either.
*What does Western rider with no helmet (also unsafe and stupid) have anything to do with justifying what Parelli is teaching and charging $$$ for?

*Karen

Chrystal




"Karen Sullivan" <greymare56@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Ridecamp Guest" <guest-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

  Please Reply to: diane Day fourdays@xxxxxxxx or ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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I am not a Parelli fan, probably see too many "Parelli"trained horses that I
felt were dangerous and disrespectful..you see people doing things with
horses willy nilly....standing on their backs (falling off!), jumping
bareback, no bridles, with NO HELMETS!, standing on horses lying down,
bridling from their KNEES??? Come on, all very unsafe practices....

I am concerned though when people dismiss these teaching programs with
comments like the above.
The idea of the Parelli/Lyons/Anderson programs to is teach riders to
connect with their horses instead of just treating them as mounts, and to
learn ways of interacting with them which actually makes life much safer.

*Yes, but these guys did not "invent" desentising horses, or working with
them.....and still no justification for the unsafe stuff.

How many of these NASA trained Arabs would benefit with some desentization
work - Walmart bags on the end of carrot sticks flung aound their heads for
a few rounds might go a long way to reduce their airflight time.

*Does that mean we need to buy a $$$$$ carrot stick?

These programs suggest ways to work with your horses that make them safer
not more disrespectful. I have seen a lot of obnoxious horses, but none who
have had owners who've spent time with them on the ground, doing the work
taught in these seminars.

  *Sorry, I have.  Many common sense ways to work with horses to make then
  safer.

Which is more safe - a horse that throws his head to the sky every time you
try to bridle him - sometimes taking your arm out of socket doing so - or a
horse that drops his head - even to the point where you can be on your knees
to put one on? Riding without a bridle is the ultimate connection with a
horse - not to be done without prior teaching of course, but why would one
criticize this type of learning that results in a deeper affinity for your
equine friend? Why would anyone need a helmet on to do ground work? I
don't understand these criticisms.

*Boy, lets see.....riding with a bridle is lovely...no criticism of
that...but what about rider on horse with no bridle, no helmet? Don't need
helmet for ground work, unless you are doing some very dangerous like
kneeling right in front of the horse to bridle it.....I do not do Parelli
work but my horses are lovely to bridle. Why would anyone even need to
bridle their horse from their knees???

These "celebrities" do have their groupies, of course, Parelli more than
most. But he is a showman - and spends a lot of time making the system fun
and entertaining. His program still works.

*Again, not what I have seen or experienced.

Anderson gets to the meat quick with much ado- good solid info there, mate.
I have found that the techniques and tips I gathered from these 3 gurus
(which can be found on RFDTV and in magazines, you don't have to pay a lot
of money to learn about them) to be excellent tools for passing on at 4H
meetings and with new or young riders.

*I totally do not put Lyons or Anderson in same category at Parelli. Even
his (PP) articles in ride magazine showed very dangerous, stupid stuff
(riding horse into back of trailer with no helmet on rider); person
following a horse on the ground, walking right at it's butt, with the
leadrope in the person's teeth! The advertisement that truly pissed me off
was a small child, jumping bareback on a pony with NO HELMET!!!

It is easily learned and pertinent stuff -and it reduces fear immensely when
new horse people see that a horse will respond to them so well. Anything
that decreases fear is always worth a look.
Not everything new needs to be dismissed - not every change is bad.

*Fine, if he eliminates the dangerous, stupid stuff.

  When it coms to horse handling, the majority of people out there could
  benefit from a little more understanding and a few more 'techniques" in
  their library...

*Obviously, no argument there.

*Lets see, current horse, age 4, "Parelli" trained. Needed work loading and
unloading, didn't pick up feet without kicking at me, didn't know word "ho",
disrespectful by crowding....skittish to saddle, hard to bridle.......what
am I missing here? Every darn horse I have bought with some
"Parelli training" has had to be retrained. And, if I see a horse for sale
advertised with Parelli training, I know I will have to retrain that
horse....

I could not even get this guy to move his hindquarters over with light hand
cue (to teach him to do it-disingague hindquarders) in order to learn leg
cue. If you even looked at his hind end, or feet, he would move
them....what the heck use is that? I often SCRUTINIZE, and look at hard,
legs, feet, way of going. I don't want the horse moving away just from me
LOOKING at him, I want him to wait for a verbal or touch cue. Again,
useless waste of time, no usefull application I can see.....


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