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Re: [RC] Grapes-toxic? Or chocolate? - Bette Lamore

Yes but it is the dark chocolate that is actually GOOD for women as said in PREVENTION MAGAZINE!!! I cut the article out and framed it!!! At last nutrition can be fun!
Bette

Barbara McCrary wrote:

Thank goodness our Border Collie found milk chocolate!  Actually, according
to my tastes and preferences, milk chocolate is the only kind worth eating
:-))  Unfortunately, I'm addicted to it........

Barbara

----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan E. Garlinghouse" <suendavid@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Bette Lamore'" <woa@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "'Chris Paus'" <paus@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "'Barbara McCrary'" <bigcreekranch@xxxxxxxxxx>; "'GarnerT'"
<GarnerT@xxxxxxx>; "'RIDECAMP'" <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 2:59 PM
Subject: RE: [RC] Grapes-toxic? Or chocolate?




Chocolate can and will indeed kill a dog, but it depends on how chocolate
the chocolate is---baker's chocolate requiring relatively little to cause
irreparable kidney/liver damage (which in turn causes neurologic symptoms
that look like brain damage), milk chocolate is more likely to cause
diarrhea, etc.  My equine toxicology books still aren't unpacked, so not
sure about horses, but have a hard time imagining how a horse would have
access to enough chocolate to be a problem---aside from possible colic
issues.

I don't have exact specifications in front of me reagarding the toxicity


of


raisins, but the obvious difference between the two are the sulfites used


in


the drying process. Those make me pretty sick, too (bad headaches, etc),


so


it's not a huge leap to assume the same thing could occur in dogs or


horses.


In any case, the rule in toxicology is that dose is everything---a little
may be no problem, but a lot is risky. So, just don't go overboard with
anything suspect. I imagine a handful of raisins for a horse would be


fine


as a treat, but shouldn't be a staple.

Susan Garlinghouse, DVM

-----Original Message-----
From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bette Lamore
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:29 AM
To: Chris Paus
Cc: Barbara McCrary; GarnerT; RIDECAMP
Subject: Re: [RC] Grapes-toxic? Or chocolate?

From what I understand, chocolate will not kill a dog--- just cause
brain damage if taken in sufficient quantities. Sooo perhaps if your dog
is barking at an invisible foe...can't remember where he lives... or
doesn't recognize you some day... you have your answer! ;-)
Bette, who's Irish Setter got into a whole box of Girl Scout peanut
butter cookies one time.. and ... well.. lets just say that you could
free style roller skate in the bedroom with no skates!!! :-)

Chris Paus wrote:



Barbara, I had a German Shepard who was incorrigble
about taking food. One day I came home and found out
she had eaten all the contents of a 2 pound box of
Russel Stover chocolates. She was not sick.

Another time she got into candy bars my son was
selling for his baseball team. $`1 a bar. I had to pay
the team $19 for the bars Willa ate!

She never got sick.

I know it is dangerous and I keep it away from dogs
now, but apparently some dogs can handle it.

Willa lived to be almost 16... ancient for a GSD.

chris

--- Barbara McCrary <bigcreekranch@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:




One morning, several years ago, after the annual
Easter Egg Hunt at our house (Grandpa is the Easter
Bunny), the grandkids had missed numerous
foil-wrapped chocolate eggs.  Our Border Collie, who
is your basic glutton and will eat anything that
isn't nailed down, had sniffed out the chocolate
eggs and had scarfed them down.  I found the results
all over the garage floor.......lots of mucous and
about 12 different-colored pieces of foil.  Casey is
still alive and kicking!

Barbara
----- Original Message ----- From: GarnerT
To: Barbara McCrary
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [RC] Grapes-toxic?


Barbara:

In our local newspaper, there is a vet column & I
was extremely surprised to read that raisins are
deadly to dogs - like chocolate.  I can't remember
if they affect the liver or the kidneys.  I
immediately called my mother-in-law who give her big
yellow lab raisins!  Grapes are fine for dogs, but
not raisins.

Kathy Garner
----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara McCrary
To: Jim Ingersoll ; ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [RC] Grapes-toxic?


  Raisins (or grapes?) deadly to dogs?  That's
odd, because our Border Collie loves grapes (and
apples and nectarines), and he isn't dead yet.
Maybe raisins have something in them that grapes
don't?

Barbara
----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Ingersoll
To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 12:18 PM
Subject: [RC] Grapes-toxic?


    I,ve got a neighbor who has a few thompson
seedless grapevines hanging over the fence. The
grapes are fabulous and Lancer loves them but I'm
hesitant to let him have too many.  I know raisins
can be deadly to dogs, anyone know about horses?
    Jim Ingersoll
    Jinger48@xxxxxxxxxxx





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"A good horse makes short miles," George Eliot

Chris and Star

BayRab Acres
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Bette Lamore
Whispering Oaks Arabians
Home of Bunny and 16.2h TLA Halynov
who lives on through his legacy Hal's Riverdance!
http://www.arabiansporthorse.com

Always remember: "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take,


but


by the moments that take our breath away." (George Carlin)




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Bette Lamore
Whispering Oaks Arabians
Home of Bunny and 16.2h TLA Halynov
who lives on through his legacy Hal's Riverdance!
http://www.arabiansporthorse.com

Always remember: "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." (George Carlin)




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