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Re: [RC] Distance riders-endurance - Dabney FinchI agree. It might be helpful to compare our sport with human running sports: An LD is like a 10k; a 50 like a marathon and a 100 is an ultra-marathon. Runners seem to be fine with not wanting to be called ultra runners when they're doing 10ks, and also with the concept that for most of them "to finish is to win," while for others "to top 10 is to win," and so forth, without getting judgmental about it. Maybe we could learn by their example? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Long" <jlong@xxxxxxxx> To: "Ed Roley" <roleyed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: "ridecamp" <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [RC] Distance riders-endurance On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 08:02:26 -0500, "Ed Roley" <roleyed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Joe Long said: "Now, LD rides are distance rides (as are competitive trail rides). But although all endurance rides are distance rides, not all distance rides are endurance rides!" I agree both(CTR, LD's) are distance riders as would the pleasure trail rider who rides long distances in a day. The distinction is the LD is in the same basic format(a race...remember mark, set, go... first to finish(pulse down) wins - which I have no problem with and enjoy) as endurance. So LD is more like endurance then CTR or pleasure long distance riding. My apologies for the volume of posts on this, but dogonnit ... LD rides being "more like" endurance rides than CTR's does not make them endurance rides! Not only is "pulse down" fundamentally different than first across the finish line -- they are, simply, fundamentally, and by the definition of an Endurance Ride, *not long enough.* *** What part of "not long enough" is so hard to understand? ***Again only for ease of conversation with others and not to make me or anyone else more or less important in what they do for fun. So, it's OK to call an apple an orange if it makes for ease of conversation? What's wrong with just calling them distance rides? That seems easy enough to me. There's no rocket science here. We have distance rides, which include many forms of riding a long way. Among them are endurance rides, those which meet the AERC definition; competitive trail rides, which meet the definitions of their sanctioning organizations; Limited Distance rides, which meet the AERC's LD definition; and others. No problem. The only problem is people whining that LD riders are being treated as "second-class citizens" because they don't get all of the same recognition as the endurance riders, and people who only ride LD demanding to be called "endurance riders" without EARNING it by riding an endurance ride. And I hope that's the last I write on this subject! (at least this time around, I know it'll be back) -- Joe Long jlong@xxxxxxxx http://www.rnbw.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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