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[RC] Ruffled Feathers - k s swigartJoanne said: The AERC rules say LD-BC is a RM's option---I say that is discriminatory. A 50 miler knows exactly what will be expected of him at any ride in the region. They all have the same standard. Joanne, with respect to BC standards for LD vs. the 50, is mistaken. While the AERC endurance (50+ miles) rules do require that ride management have an award available for BC, they are not required to actually bestow it at the ride, and they are allowed to have whatever criteria they want for bestowing it with the same caveat that there is in the rules for LD BC....that only those BC awards given using the AERC system "count." Most ride managers (and head vets, who, in the long run are the judges of who wins BC) are fairly happy with the AERC system for choosing the BC in endurance rides...and so they use the system. But a notable exception (while not a 50) is Tevis. They don't like the AERC's system, and they don't use it. So while you can win the Haggin Cup at Tevis, you can't win AERC BC, and winning the Haggin Cup won't show up on your horse's AERC record. I don't know about the Mountain Region, but I know in my region (PS) few of the ride managers or vets are happy with the AERC system, expressed their dislike of the system from its inception, many have tried giving it and haven't been happy with the results, some give it grudgingly, and several have repeatedly stated that they would very much like the AERC to change the system so that they CAN be happy with awarding it. The AERC rules are the same for LD and endurance, ride managers can give BC or not, to whatever rider on whatever horse they feel has earned it. So if riders in the Mountain region want to be able to earn BC for the LD then what they need to do is to help the AERC to come up with a system for awarding it such that ride managers and vets actually WANT to. For the ride managers that I know that don't (or do but don't like to) award the LD BC, it is not because they are too cheap to buy a prize or that the vets are too lazy to perform the evaluation, but rather because they feel that it awards the WONG thing. It is my understanding that the Board of Directors is trying to come up with a system that more ride managers and vets will be willing to use. Rather than moaning about how discriminatory you think the current system is (with respect to the AERC rules it is not), why don't you ask the ride managers in your region WHY they don't award BC and what system they WOULD be willing to use and then help convey that information to the AERC so they can use it in coming up with a better system. I wasn't around to see it (before my time), but I suspect that during the time that the AERC was standardizing the BC system for endurance rides, that there was similar resistence to the AERC's system for bestowing it and even now, there are plenty of rides where the vet, after evaluating all of the horses eligible under the AERC rules (the top ten), is unwilling to bestow the award no matter what the results on the AERC score sheets. Presumably, this is not (necessarily) because there wasn't a single horse in the entire ride who didn't look good at the end. Personally, if I were a ride manager at a 50 mile ride, and the head vet told me that he didn't want to award AERC BC to any of the top ten horses, I would ask him which horse in the ride (all the starters, not just all the finishers) that he thought was in the best condition at the end and then give the award (that the rules require me to have avaiable :)) to that person. And yes, pulling your horse before the finish so that it WOULD still be in good condition at the end still makes you eligible for the award. kat Orange County, Calif. p.s. From what I have heard from different people in different regions (and my own experience with going to rides outside of my region), it is also not true that a 50 mile rider can go to any ride in the country and expect the standards to be the same. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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