Ridecamp: Re: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military lands and all plant lifefrom ESA (fw

I didn't mean to start anything with the "preserve" comments, just
responding to another's comment on not being able to do anything with their
own land.

We love the fact that we can ride in the preserve!  Your right about the
fencing and the water.  And the ranchers are good friends of ours.  We let
them know when there's a leak in their water lines that run from wells to
water tanks along the dirt roads, which is frequent.  We ride the dirt roads
more than they do so it works out nicely.

We, my husband and I, just regret that we don't have the big bucks to get
the permits to do anything with our land that happens to border the
preserve!  I would like to be able to put them in "fences" on our property
(can't just let them run a muck), along with drilling a well for water (the
permit thing again).  I guess I'll have to win the lottery first.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Morris" <bobmorris@xxxxxxxx>
To: "Nannette Young" <nyoung@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 5:12 PM
Subject: RE: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military lands and all
plant lifefrom ESA (fw


> You might also find out that the "Preserve" requires the
> ranchers to install the fences and to improve the water
> facilities, all at their (the ranchers) own expense.
>
> Bob
>
> Bob Morris
> Morris Endurance Enterprises
> Boise, ID
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> Nannette Young
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:02 AM
> To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military
> lands and all
> plant lifefrom ESA (fw
>
>
> Oh, jeez I'm sorry for "whining."  I'm going to bit my lip
> like a nice
> polite person would do!
>
> Ranchers that have contracts with the Preserve have Barbwire
> fences all over
> the preserve.  Of course thats ok because they have the big
> bucks to give to
> the Preserve and the state of CA.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Sherrell" <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Ridecamp (E-mail)" <Ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:27 PM
> Subject: RE: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military
> lands and all
> plant lifefrom ESA (fw
>
>
> > As someone who occasionally gets to ride on the Mojave,
> I'm very glad it
> is
> > hard to put up fences. I'm amazed any trailrider would
> whine about not
> being
> > able to put up fences.
> >
> > Mike Sherrell
> > Grizzly Analytical (USA)
> > 707 887 2919/fax 707 887 9834
> > www.grizzlyanalytical.com
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> Nannette Young
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:46 AM
> > > To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military
> lands and all
> > > plant lifefrom ESA (fw
> > >
> > >
> > > Barbara,
> > > I can sympathize!  My husband and I have a large chunk
> of
> > > property that
> > > boarders the Mojave National Preserve.  We would have to
> be
> > > worth millions
> > > before we could even contemplate putting fencing up for
> our
> > > horses, let
> > > alone build a house on it!  The museum and
> paleontologists,
> > > fire department,
> > > and any other government body one could think of needs
> to be
> > > notified if we
> > > walk across it!  Oh, and the turtle people as well!!!
> > >
> > > Of course the Preserve would love to get there hands on
> this
> > > property!  I
> > > think my husband is holding out just to thumb is nose at
> them!
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Barbara McCrary" <bigcreekranch@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: "Maureen A. Fager" <trottin27@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Cc: "RIDECAMP" <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:03 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property,
> military
> > > lands and all
> > > plant lifefrom ESA (fw
> > >
> > >
> > > > Perhaps you haven't had experiences of having your
> private property
> > > > controlled by the ESA, but we have.  I'm sure this is
> a
> > > two-edged sword,
> > > but
> > > > as property owners, we are getting quite tired of
> having us
> > > restricted
> > > from
> > > > doing what we need to do on our own land.  We can't
> clear
> > > log jams out of
> > > > creeks, to prevent flooding and erosion during the
> winter
> > > time, because
> > > > removing the jams might cause harm to the fish in the
> > > creek, etc., etc.
> > > I,
> > > > for one, am ready for some sanity in the government.
> And it's very
> > > > difficult to negotiate with the fanatical
> > > environmentalists, because they
> > > > don't want to learn anything new; they already think
> they
> > > know it all.
> > > > Maybe things are different in Reno, but in a radius of
> 100
> > > miles or so of
> > > > the San Francisco Bay area, with all of its tens of
> > > thousands of city
> > > > dwellers, they believe theirs is the ONLY WAY.  Urban
> > > sprawl should be
> > > > controlled in some other manner than denying private
> > > property owners the
> > > > right to manage their own land.  I'm all for
> controlled
> > > building, up to a
> > > > point.  But when it costs a person $70,000 in building
> > > permits and all the
> > > > "studies" that are necessary in order to remodel an
> > > existing house, and
> > > when
> > > > it takes several years to finally obtain the permit,
> then
> > > it is a society
> > > > gone berserk.  One of our neighbors had to relocate
> the
> > > site of the house
> > > > they wished to build because of a wildflower that
> someone
> > > decided was
> > > going
> > > > to be threatened.  The neighbor had planned to build
> the
> > > house out of
> > > sight
> > > > of the public road, but in the end was forced to build
> on a
> > > hilltop in
> > > > conspicuous sight of the road.  And it's a rather ugly
> > > house, to boot.
> > > >
> > > > Barbara
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Maureen A. Fager" <trottin27@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:39 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property,
> military
> > > lands and all
> > > > plant lifefrom ESA (fw
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This type of legislation in not made so folks can
> "enjoy
> > > their public
> > > > lands"
> > > > > it is made so lands can be developed.  Developement
> takes
> > > lands out of
> > > > > use--by destroying trails and trail heads, blocking
> trail
> > > heads and
> > > other
> > > > > access to public lands.
> > > > >
> > > > > While laws can be changed and "enviromentalists" can
> be
> > > negioitiated
> > > with,
> > > > > you can't negotiate with a gated community, a house
> built on the
> > > > trailhead,
> > > > > a golf course or a Walmart.  They are here to stay.
> Be
> > > carefull what
> > > you
> > > > > wish for.
> > > > >
> > > > > Happy Trails,
> > > > > Maureen
> > > > > Reno, NV
> > > > >
> > > > > (who has seen land and trail lost to all of the
> above, and more)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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