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    FW: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military lands and all plant lifefrom ESA (fw - Mike Sherrell


    Scraping out creekbeds is ecocide. Don't have to be a fanatic to know that;
    all you have to do is ride by one before (birds, bugs, fish, all kinds of
    animals) and after (sterile).
    
    Mike Sherrell
    Grizzly Analytical (USA)
    707 887 2919/fax 707 887 9834
    www.grizzlyanalytical.com
    
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Barbara McCrary
    Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:04 AM
    To: Maureen A. Fager
    Cc: RIDECAMP
    Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military lands and all
    plant lifefrom ESA (fw
    
    
    Perhaps you haven't had experiences of having your private property
    controlled by the ESA, but we have.  I'm sure this is a two-edged sword, but
    as property owners, we are getting quite tired of having us restricted from
    doing what we need to do on our own land.  We can't clear log jams out of
    creeks, to prevent flooding and erosion during the winter time, because
    removing the jams might cause harm to the fish in the creek, etc., etc.  I,
    for one, am ready for some sanity in the government.  And it's very
    difficult to negotiate with the fanatical environmentalists, because they
    don't want to learn anything new; they already think they know it all.
    Maybe things are different in Reno, but in a radius of 100 miles or so of
    the San Francisco Bay area, with all of its tens of thousands of city
    dwellers, they believe theirs is the ONLY WAY.  Urban sprawl should be
    controlled in some other manner than denying private property owners the
    right to manage their own land.  I'm all for controlled building, up to a
    point.  But when it costs a person $70,000 in building permits and all the
    "studies" that are necessary in order to remodel an existing house, and when
    it takes several years to finally obtain the permit, then it is a society
    gone berserk.  One of our neighbors had to relocate the site of the house
    they wished to build because of a wildflower that someone decided was going
    to be threatened.  The neighbor had planned to build the house out of sight
    of the public road, but in the end was forced to build on a hilltop in
    conspicuous sight of the road.  And it's a rather ugly house, to boot.
    
    Barbara
    
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Maureen A. Fager" <trottin27@xxxxxxxxxxx>
    To: <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:39 PM
    Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military lands and all
    plant lifefrom ESA (fw
    
    
    >
    > This type of legislation in not made so folks can "enjoy their public
    lands"
    > it is made so lands can be developed.  Developement takes lands out of
    > use--by destroying trails and trail heads, blocking trail heads and other
    > access to public lands.
    >
    > While laws can be changed and "enviromentalists" can be negioitiated with,
    > you can't negotiate with a gated community, a house built on the
    trailhead,
    > a golf course or a Walmart.  They are here to stay.   Be carefull what you
    > wish for.
    >
    > Happy Trails,
    > Maureen
    > Reno, NV
    >
    > (who has seen land and trail lost to all of the above, and more)
    >
    >
    >
    >
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