Ridecamp: RE: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military lands and all plant lifefrom ESA (fw

You might also find out that the "Preserve" requires the
ranchers to install the fences and to improve the water
facilities, all at their (the ranchers) own expense.

Bob

Bob Morris
Morris Endurance Enterprises
Boise, ID

-----Original Message-----
From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
Nannette Young
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:02 AM
To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military
lands and all
plant lifefrom ESA (fw


Oh, jeez I'm sorry for "whining."  I'm going to bit my lip
like a nice
polite person would do!

Ranchers that have contracts with the Preserve have Barbwire
fences all over
the preserve.  Of course thats ok because they have the big
bucks to give to
the Preserve and the state of CA.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Sherrell" <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Ridecamp (E-mail)" <Ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military
lands and all
plant lifefrom ESA (fw


> As someone who occasionally gets to ride on the Mojave,
I'm very glad it
is
> hard to put up fences. I'm amazed any trailrider would
whine about not
being
> able to put up fences.
>
> Mike Sherrell
> Grizzly Analytical (USA)
> 707 887 2919/fax 707 887 9834
> www.grizzlyanalytical.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
Nannette Young
> > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:46 AM
> > To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military
lands and all
> > plant lifefrom ESA (fw
> >
> >
> > Barbara,
> > I can sympathize!  My husband and I have a large chunk
of
> > property that
> > boarders the Mojave National Preserve.  We would have to
be
> > worth millions
> > before we could even contemplate putting fencing up for
our
> > horses, let
> > alone build a house on it!  The museum and
paleontologists,
> > fire department,
> > and any other government body one could think of needs
to be
> > notified if we
> > walk across it!  Oh, and the turtle people as well!!!
> >
> > Of course the Preserve would love to get there hands on
this
> > property!  I
> > think my husband is holding out just to thumb is nose at
them!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Barbara McCrary" <bigcreekranch@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "Maureen A. Fager" <trottin27@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: "RIDECAMP" <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property,
military
> > lands and all
> > plant lifefrom ESA (fw
> >
> >
> > > Perhaps you haven't had experiences of having your
private property
> > > controlled by the ESA, but we have.  I'm sure this is
a
> > two-edged sword,
> > but
> > > as property owners, we are getting quite tired of
having us
> > restricted
> > from
> > > doing what we need to do on our own land.  We can't
clear
> > log jams out of
> > > creeks, to prevent flooding and erosion during the
winter
> > time, because
> > > removing the jams might cause harm to the fish in the
> > creek, etc., etc.
> > I,
> > > for one, am ready for some sanity in the government.
And it's very
> > > difficult to negotiate with the fanatical
> > environmentalists, because they
> > > don't want to learn anything new; they already think
they
> > know it all.
> > > Maybe things are different in Reno, but in a radius of
100
> > miles or so of
> > > the San Francisco Bay area, with all of its tens of
> > thousands of city
> > > dwellers, they believe theirs is the ONLY WAY.  Urban
> > sprawl should be
> > > controlled in some other manner than denying private
> > property owners the
> > > right to manage their own land.  I'm all for
controlled
> > building, up to a
> > > point.  But when it costs a person $70,000 in building
> > permits and all the
> > > "studies" that are necessary in order to remodel an
> > existing house, and
> > when
> > > it takes several years to finally obtain the permit,
then
> > it is a society
> > > gone berserk.  One of our neighbors had to relocate
the
> > site of the house
> > > they wished to build because of a wildflower that
someone
> > decided was
> > going
> > > to be threatened.  The neighbor had planned to build
the
> > house out of
> > sight
> > > of the public road, but in the end was forced to build
on a
> > hilltop in
> > > conspicuous sight of the road.  And it's a rather ugly
> > house, to boot.
> > >
> > > Barbara
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Maureen A. Fager" <trottin27@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:39 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property,
military
> > lands and all
> > > plant lifefrom ESA (fw
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > This type of legislation in not made so folks can
"enjoy
> > their public
> > > lands"
> > > > it is made so lands can be developed.  Developement
takes
> > lands out of
> > > > use--by destroying trails and trail heads, blocking
trail
> > heads and
> > other
> > > > access to public lands.
> > > >
> > > > While laws can be changed and "enviromentalists" can
be
> > negioitiated
> > with,
> > > > you can't negotiate with a gated community, a house
built on the
> > > trailhead,
> > > > a golf course or a Walmart.  They are here to stay.
Be
> > carefull what
> > you
> > > > wish for.
> > > >
> > > > Happy Trails,
> > > > Maureen
> > > > Reno, NV
> > > >
> > > > (who has seen land and trail lost to all of the
above, and more)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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