Ridecamp: Re[2]: [RC] B.C.A.A. Complex

That was my point Bob. However the only way it would be an issue is IF
someone reported a rider ' that they found a used tube of BCAA in the
riders VC and SAW them give that tube to the horse.'

There would be no blood test or urine test to prove squat.
My word against yours.  Now we all know that will never happen?

OK riders hide the DMG and BCCA, mix it with the elytes..
Sure done that way now. ??
I am not so sure it should be illegal.
Rule 13 has been used for many  issues that may not be correct.

For Bob  - if I give my horse xxx oz of a glucose supplement is that
illegal-  sure is a normally occurring substance  given at a high
unnatural level.

Oh the carbohydrate substance I choose is - MAPLE SYRUP (re high
fructose corn syrup)  or 2 cup of BROWN SUGAR. or a cup of MOLASSES.
or a 3 pound jar of APPLESAUCE ( all sugar)

Just so we dont get into strange named substances..
Its done at many races    I have witnessed the above protocol.
 Legal? issue (not an issue that   it is  good or bad  for the horse.)
   ( thats later)   (3pnds of applesauce gone in 60 seconds.)hehehe.

RC needed an new delete button.
Stay on topic -feeding a natural substance in large qualities
(abnormal)   during a ride. could one press rule 13 to xyz limits
unfairly??


Roger R

BM> Well, when you dose with B.C.C.A. Complex you are violating
BM> Rule 13 ....AERC prohibits from competition equines who
BM> contain evidence of      the administration of abnormal
BM> substances or of normal substances      in abnormal amounts
BM> (exogenously administered compounds even   if normally found
BM> endogenously). Since the complete effects of such
BM> administration cannot be known, the fairness and safety
BM> require the     prohibition of such practices.

BM> So I would believe that if you dose the horse with these
BM> substances the amount would be an abnormal amount as it is
BM> not normally consumed in any quantity in nature. Thus the
BM> use of these substances in competition are precluded whether
BM> they test or not.

BM> Bob

BM> Bob Morris
BM> Morris Endurance Enterprises
BM> Boise, ID

BM> -----Original Message-----
BM> From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
BM> [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Truman
BM> Prevatt
BM> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 4:44 PM
BM> To: roger@xxxxxxxxxxx
BM> Cc: ridecamp
BM> Subject: Re: [RC] B.C.A.A. Complex


BM> Several years ago I came in to work one Monday morning after
BM> a ride
BM> stiff and sore. It's more the climbing into the truck and
BM> driving 6 to 8
BM> hours Sunday that allows me to get stiff. A coworker who is
BM> a
BM> competitive weight lifter saw my pain and turned me on to
BM> BCAA. I went
BM> to the local GNC and the next ride I took them after the
BM> ride and on
BM> Sunday morning and no more stiffness Monday morning. They do
BM> work for
BM> this. Most likely has to do with management of lactic acid
BM> as Roger
BM> points out.

BM> I do give them to the horse after a ride and on Sunday
BM> morning in his
BM> feed, but I  use a bunch of the tablets I get form GNC for
BM> me. He
BM> deserves to be comfortable when he gets home. Do they
BM> enhance endurance
BM> performance - I have no idea. Will they turn the mid pack
BM> horse into the
BM> world champion - absolutely not. But will they cut 10
BM> minutes off a 100
BM> which might turn the 5 place in the world championship into
BM> the world
BM> champion - who knows. Will they test - what do you test for?
BM> They are
BM> nothing more than three proteins normally found. Like Roger
BM> ask, is this
BM> a drug or a perfectly legal feed supplement.


BM> Truman (maybe this will get us off irrational hot button
BM> number 3- LD -
BM> onto hot button number 5 - Rule 13).



BM> Roger Rittenhouse wrote:

>>
>>
>>I use it AFTER a ride/race every time (for my horse)
>>I use during a ride for ME.
>>It speeds recovery.
>>I dont think either are harmful
>>
>>I cannot find the studies from THE HORSE that said the BCAA
BM> do work.
>> They both show up in the horse as a naturally occurring
BM> substance,
>>since they are processed as needed you cannot find traces.
>>Last but not least   NEITHER DMG nor BCAA will fail a drug
BM> test.
>>They are or can be performance enhancing.
>>Are they BAD? WRONG?
>>or FEED supplements?
>>
>>Would I use either ? I will take  the fifth first
>>
>>Just some un-scientific information and food for thought.
>>Roger R
>>
>>Ready for the Krebs Cycle Lecture 202
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>>Roger Rittenhouse
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