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Re: [RC] ponying - Elizabeth Walker

Now .. wait a minute.. :)

I don't think they would be eligible for BC - part of the criteria is weight of the tack and the rider, but since the rider didn't ride the horse the entire distance, you would have to calculate what percentage of weight the horse *did* carry, in order to be fair. That means the rider would have to record the amount of time they spent riding each horse. :) Same for the weight division.

Now .. for the rest .. The *rider* would only get one completion, as he only covered the course once. Each *horse* would get a completion, though. (or maybe, each horse would only get credit for those miles where he was ridden, and changes in horses could only take place at vet checks and designated points, so milage could be recorded).

It wouldn't be a Chariot division, though, as there is no vehicle. It could be a Circus Division, though, and require the "rider" to stand on the bare backs of one or more horses, guiding them as a group.... Remind me to stay home if that ever happens. :)

On Aug 21, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Diane Trefethen wrote:

k s swigart wrote:
In fact, one of the reasons I didn't think it appropriate to get rid of
that rule is that it is now legal, in an AERC ride, to have one rider
enter two horses, pony one, ride the other, and switch off between them.


AND get TWO completions and mileage for both! Boy - neither Trilby or Les thought of THAT :) Wait why stop at 2? Why not enter 3 or 4 horses, ride one at a time and pony the others and get completions and mileage for them all? Can't you see it! A new division (AERC loves to add divisions). Call it the Chariot Division. Then subdivide it into 2,3 and 4 horses. That's THREE divisions... WHEE!!! It doesn't matter that we all "know" that an entry has to have one horse and one rider. The bottom line is that there is no such restriction in the rules. And taking a page from show competitions, riders enter and ride multiple horses all the time.

Look at rule 6. There isn't one subsection listed that couldn't be met by one rider entering two or more horses and completing the distance with them all. And if all of a rider's horses fulfilled all the requirements listed in rule 6, plus any additional rules imposed by the RM, then how could an RM refuse to award them all completions and mileage? They could try but when the rider protested, what basis could the RM use to defend his/her refusal to grant the completions? No rule supports that decision. If an RM specified on the entry form that every horse that starts the ride must have its own, unique rider, ie, no riderless horses, or even made such an announcement at the ride meeting (along with the rule in writing), then that would be a valid rule. But if the RM failed to announce such a rule in advance, (s)he couldn't just make up such a rule at the starting line. Special ride rules, except in the case of an emergency, must be "made available to them [competitors] in written form at a preride meeting", if not sooner.

And what if they Top Ten? If you have to give a *completion* to each horse that is present at the start of the ride, properly entered, etc, wouldn't you have to give them all the other awards that they qualify for? 1st place, BC, Top Ten? And wouldn't the rider qualify for Weight Division points on all the horses that completed? Oh, wait. Maybe not. They'd be in the Chariot Division. Probably couldn't qualify for awards in multiple divisions on the same ride :)

What a delicious nightmare!


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[RC] ponying, k s swigart
Re: [RC] ponying, Diane Trefethen