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Re: [RC] [RC] more cowhocked - Linda Marins

Hi, D'Arcy;
 
I'm going to respond to you on Ridecamp tomorrow; don't have time
to do it today.  To give you fair warning, I'm mostly going to be
distinguishing between club foot/contracted tendon issues that
are important to a) a breeder; b) a person raising a weanling;
c) a person who has a weanling than is going wrong (slowly vs. acutely);
d) a person looking to buy an older horse that looks clubby (the question
where all this started); and e) a person who owns a club footed
horse and wants to manage it to keep the horse as sound as possible.
 
We're not really disagreeing.  I did say, at least twice, that the c. 1992
research-based article that you linked to, recommended by your New Bolton
vet in 2006, was "good."  It is aware of and corrects some of the most
damaging misconceptions extant in the 1980's.  There's just a few
points, one important and one not very important to people like you
who are dealing with a "fait acompli" existing condition club foot, that
weren't the most current thought when I last checked in on this subject
around 1998.
 
By the way, what was the conclusion?  Did your vet think that club-footed
horses are more prone to laminitis?  I'm honestly curious what the New Bolton
vet said.
 
My experience is that "laminitis" is too broad a term, just like "club foot"
or "colic."  Club footed horses *are* more prone to what I would call
"mechanical founder"--physical tearing of the laminae that causes the
coffin bone to separate from the hoof wall and further rotate down; mostly
due to a combination of bad trimming and hard use.  Somewhat akin to
"road founder."  They are no more susceptible to a metabolic laminitis
(toxins in the bloodstream destroying the laminae tissues) than any other
horse.
 
These are hard questions.
 
And you're dead cold right.  I'd take the advice of an experienced vet that
I trusted over anything any random bozo said on some Internet listserv any day!!!!
 
Linda Marins
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] more cowhocked

Thank you, Linda, for pointing out that the research was old research and not necessarily current information. The reason I had that information is that it was given to me, by a vet, from New Bolton, a year ago, after we were discussing whether or not a horse with a club foot does or does not have the propensity to develop laminitis more than or less than a horse with out a club foot!  My own experience with my 23 year old ex-race horse, Khemosabi grandget, that has a club foot, was one of the reason I was in the conversation in the first place! 
 
When I was studying on the club foot issue, at the time, 1988-1992, I relied on the information that was presented to me, and followed the recommendations emphatically!  Was the horse born with the club foot.  Yes and No.  How can that be?  It didn't show up right away.  What did show up right away was a slightly turned out right knee.  This is the information that I received from the breeder, and the boarding / training facility he was located at in Southern California.  When I bought him he was 3 years old.  His club foot had developed by then and I was told by the farrier how it was maintained in order to keep the 'tendon' stretched down.  This horse was grazed during the day, fed grass/alfalfa at night, and no other supplements.   He had a 2 acre pasture all by himself to run around in all day.  The information given to me by Dr. Herthel, Los Olivos, as that the turned out knee is caused by incorrect leg muscles that line the side of the knee.  If the horse is not turned out to RUN on it's own, for a couple of years, the muscle does not develop well.  Most horses kept up in stalls at a young age that have a turned out knee or turned in knee will, in fact, not develop those muscles well.  The hoof compensates for the 'shortness' and the club foot starts to show up.  My horse had been kept up because they were getting him ready for Scottsdale his yearling year.  Enough said about that!  BLAH!
 
After I bought the horse I maintained his club foot exactly as I had been told would work the best.  My vet, Dr. Byerly, having come from a race horse background, was adamant NOT to 'correct' shoe this horse.  Let his angle fall naturally because that is how his 'muscle' was developed that lines the side of his knee.  If you were to over correct the club foot that would try to realign the muscle and would 'bow the tendon' as he had seen so many times at the track.  So, this horse was not over corrected while he was in Northern California and he raced quite well.  When the Arabians went back down to SoCal from to do their regular meet, the farrier there over-corrected him, and he did in fact 'bow a tendon' and came home.  He sat at home just doing light work and some trail riding until I sent him, at nineteen, to FL for dressage training.  Farrier there was VERY familiar with club footed horses.  And my horse was maintained very well without any problems and did well in his Trial I and II (Second and First) without any affect to his tendon!  I brought him back to CA to continue his training - which was unable to happen! 
 
Now, I did go over feed issues with Dr. Byerly, because my horse had epithicitis, which is generally caused by too hot of feed.  I was feeding him alfalfa / oat cubes due the alfalfa/grass hay shortage, in the area, at the time.  Dr. Byerly told me to take him off of right away and put him on straight oat.  I did and his condition immediately went away.  However, his club foot condition was already present, and it didn't go away after the feed adjustment.
 
We moved up to the Placerville area 2004 and I had a difficult time finding a farrier that could take care of this horse's club foot and keep his tendon stretched down so that his knee muscle would not be affected.  We did okay with one farrier until he was unable to continue due to his personal issues  I now, after, 2.5 years, have a farrier that keeps him maintained.  So, no matter what the current information is - it pretty well isn't going to change a thing for this guy.  However, should I EVER encounter this problem again, I'll rely on the experts, top in their field!  So, yes, it is important to stay current.  However, I have not seen or heard, from the professionals, I have spoken with, that anything much has changed in the way they view structure, alignment, muscle, and bone. 
 
D'Arcy

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