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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barbara McCrary" <bigcreekranch@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "David LeBlanc" <dleblanc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <rides2far@xxxxxxxx>; 
<ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [RC] Conserving paper


> One wasteful practice I hate is the packaging of small items in large 
> bubble packs or cardboard backs with plastic domes over the item.  I know 
> they are packaged this way to help prevent theft, but sometimes I would 
> like to see items sold without packaging at all.  No recycling, no 
> waste...but probably more theft.
>
> Barbara
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David LeBlanc" <dleblanc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <rides2far@xxxxxxxx>; <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 1:18 PM
> Subject: RE: [RC] Conserving paper
>
>
> > Angie said:
> >
> > > "...a National Wildlife Federation study shows that recycling one hundred
> > tons of newspaper produces forty tons of toxic sludge. Thirteen of the 50
> > worst Superfund hazardous waste dumps were once recycling facilities" 
> > (also
> > Taylor of the Cato Institute)
> >
> > So we're getting 60 tons of something useful when we would have had 100 
> > tons
> > of toxic (remember what I said about the ink?) landfill waste. Seems like 
> > we
> > ought to be able to do better than that, but I see an improvement by 60
> > tons. What this also leaves out completely is how much waste you get out 
> > of
> > creating that 100 tons of paper in the first place, and that creates 
> > quite a
> > lot of sludge, dioxin, and so on. I don't have the data, but I'd expect 
> > it's
> > as much or more than the recycling.
> >
> > The water treatment effects of paper creation is mostly what makes the 
> > paper
> > vs. plastic grocery bag debate come out pretty close to a draw.
> >
> > Many of the really, really bad superfund sites were around recycling
> > lead-acid batteries. My father told me about a dead _swamp_ he visited in
> > Florida that had this problem. Lead and sulfuric acid are nasty things.
> >
> > My last bout of grad school was environmental engineering - people who do
> > that don't tend to be the Greenpeace tree-hugger sorts, but we do get 
> > taught
> > how to properly treat emissions from places like paper mills, as that's
> > often where the jobs are.
> >
> > Figuring out how to deal with all of the waste we emit is a big problem, 
> > and
> > just about anything you can name that we use is a disposal problem.
> >
> >
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