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RE: [RC] [RC] Pres cup - Ginger Bill

Hi! I'm with you Catfish. The weather is beautiful today. I'm just about finished cleaning our motorhome. Just need to spend a few more minutes out there and then I'm catching a horse and I'm outa here. My first ride of the season is in March. The Rides of March here I come. It'll be nice to catch up on things with some of my endurance buddies. I know we'll all be laughing and having a blast. It is so refreshing and invigorating. Ridecamp can sure be a downer at times. Too much time at the computer and not enough time on a horse, I think. Happy trails to all. Ginger


From: "Catfish Daniels" <catfishdaniels@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [RC]   Pres cup
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:05:05 -0800

Well, Lisa - I guess you did your research on the computer which undoubtedly has become gospel. I guess that sums it all up - end of discussion. Good for you to ride, take care, and love your horse(s) the way you believe is best. I happen to be on the same side with you on that one. When it appears that people do things completely different than I do, I try to openmindedly investigate their practices - and I was fortunate enough to pick the brains of some endurance riders with direct experiences in that environment. My post originated not with the intend to defend or take sides with anyone - I was just trying to share a few little facts based on real life experiences rather than opinions and finger pointing based on internet research on the other side of the globe.

Enjoy the trails. It's in the high 60's today and I'm going riding.

Catfish


From: "oddfarm" <jsalas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "ridecamp" <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Catfish Daniels" <catfishdaniels@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Pres cup
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:33:04 -0500

With all due respect Catfish, trying to maintain a 15 mph or more pace and ending up with 78 or so lame horse is cruel, no matter where they are. I looked up a few of these stables, some have only been around for 10 years. One only listed 2 horses for endurance and the other horses they have run were owned by someone else. When I try to track down some of the previous winners, I come up with a dead end. The most beautiful facilities with the best care must not be on the internet. Hmm.

I don't care if they hand feed these horses and paint their toes. Something went seriously wrong at this particular race and their ultra sounds didn't predict that, did they?

I don't buy the reasoning that the pull rate is high because it is stricter than here. The pull rate is high because they are running the crap out of these horses at speeds that cripple. I also don't buy that the horses that end up permanently lame go to live at the Taj Mahal. Why? Because it just doesn't make sense. Especially after reading your second to the last paragraph. It is all about the money. By the way, I don't "think" some of these horses are ran into the ground. Seeing the results of the ride was pretty convincing of that in itself.

I don't think there is a stigma attached to the "way it is done over there." We see results. Those are facts.

I can't even see how anyone can call a 6 hour plus ride, on the flat dessert with caravans following to crew an "endurance" ride. What the hell did they endure??

I don't feel the need to defend myself about how I feel on this subject. So that is all I will say. And for those of you who think a ride record is indicative of one's intelligence on the subject of endurance I say this. I don't need to ride FEI or have a million rides under my saddle to know the difference between right and wrong. My morals and values were set way before I knew ANYTHING about endurance riding.

I get that it is a whole other world. It still disgusts me. I am allowed to voice my opinion on that whether or not anybody agrees because I live over HERE!

Lisa Salas, The Odd Farm

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