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RE: [RC] [RC] Parelli (and other clinicians)-BAD BEHAVIOR - Dodie SableAh - another one of my favorite lessons. Go watch a well established herd of horses. When one gets out of line, they get a head shaking or foot stamping warning (in my case, it's a loud "HEY" with a shaking of a finger in their face). If the first warning doesn't take, that horse will get ears pinned and teeth snaked out at them (in my case, it's a swift smack with a screech of "YOU BETTER CUT IT OUT") if the first two warnings go unheeded, that horse will get chased by flying feet (in my case, it's me backing them down the aisle way popping them with the lead line). In 99% of the cases, the first two warnings are enough if the horse knows the other horse (or human) is boss. Doesn't mean those two horses aren't friends, doesn't mean those two horses don't love each other to pieces, just means that one is of higher hierarchy than the other and the second one must demure to the first one's conditions of co-habitation. And yes, with a strong willed "herd boss" horse, the human sometimes has to resort to a heavy handed method of correction. I did not say "training", I said correction. For the most part, I've found the bossier horses easier to train than the submissive lower end of the totem pole horses. So, again, I believe that the clinicians give people a "generic, broad spectrum" of ideas and it's up to the person using the techniques to use those ideas in conjunction with their horse's needs and behavior patterns. And that doesn't happen with a "newbie" because they don't understand there's more than meets the eye...they take the training videos as gospel. I always say, "A non-horse person with excellent common sense can train more effectively than a highly skilled horse person with no common sense." Dodie -----Original Message----- From: Karen Sullivan [mailto:greymare56@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 12:52 PM To: Mary Ann Spencer Cc: dodie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [RC] Parelli (and other clinicians) On 8/25/07, Mary Ann Spencer <maryann.spencer@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: You are correct. But so many resort to the 'old' brutal or semibrutal ways when in a stress situation....... IE: so darn many times when a horse balks at loading someone is always there with a big whip!! People also need to be taught when to quit............ and wait for the next time. yes...but.........here will be the next unpopular thing I say..sigh. Sometimes what that horse needs IS that big whip!!! Especially the older, formerly well trained but now spoiled/dangerous/ornery horse who knows perfectly well how to load and unload politely; but has learned he can now push his new owner around....how many times do you see this person try to load the horse; the horse runs over the person; pivots hindquarters into person; kicks out at you-the-person-helping....so owner now re-circles the horse around and asks again, pretty please get in the trailer; does the whole NH-Parelli thingy....so as a result, everytime the horse does something BAD, he gets the reward of getting to circle away from the trailer opening and "set up" straight again...what is the horse learning? That now, everytime he acts like a brat...he gets to go AWAY from the trailer opening;that horse will gladly pitch a fit and circle all day long......... Sorry, the walk away and try another day with THIS kind of horse will only reinforce he can be dangerous, disrespectful and pushy and NOT have to do what you want or need. Like Sandy said...the person who gets called to help get Sweetums in the trailer is the one who gets stepped on and kicked!!! This person is your no-nonsense friend who always seem to have well-behaved horses (without having to whomp on them), and yet...the owner of Sweetums will continue to buy the DVD's and tapes and spend $$$$$ on the clinics to try to become "friends" with Sweetums, and play games...and totally disregard the good common sense and help the ADVICE that the friend tries to give.... This sound familiar to anyone? Karen =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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