[RC] Seven, Angie's Stallion (for now) - rides2farOK, nothing to do right now but make periodic dashes to the barn to see if a war had commenced, so I'll tell ya'll my story. It's a good'un. :-) My buddy Suzanne Solice called a couple of weeks back and she was on the hunt for a second horse because she likes to compete so much she was afraid she'd hurt the good one she's got going. She's like me, decided that 50's are just legging up and we WANT do do 100's again! (Takes more than just wanting to..you have to find the right horses!) Suzanne really likes the Samtyr lines and mentioned them. We were talking about possible horses and then I said, "Hey, there was a guy here in town who used to race Arabs and I heard he's in bad shape and has some stallions that are just down in a field getting hungry, let me see what I can find out about them." Called up a woman who I knew did endurance very successfully on some of his horses (Linda Norton) and she said she'd heard the same thing and was getting ready to go check on them. What we learned was that the old fellow was near death and Hospice had been called in. 24 year old late in life son isn't that interested in horses and just sort of figured they could take care of themselves out in that 30 acre field. Turns out Linda had taken them round bales last year to keep them from going without. I drove over and was shocked (I don't shock easy). The horses were hungry, but not what you'd call *starved* yet, but there was a 6 year old Samtyr grandson whose feet had grown out and hadn't chipped off until they looked like a normal hoof, with 4 and 5" long "flower pedals" of hoof out to the sides. If you could have entered that sucker in a swimming race he'd have been something else. He was about 14.2, deep in the heart, nice back, good low knees but couldn't watch him move since he walked like a 2 year old kid wearing his daddy's army boots. In the same field was his 12 year old sire, also a Samtyr grandson (which made the 6 year old double Samtyr since his dam was an own daughter to Samtyr). and there was a heavier built dark bay with 3 socks that was a 7 year old stallion. We were just calling them 6, 7 and 12 to keep them straight. I was taking photos and describing them to Suzanne on the phone. The 7 year old was following me around very friendly for petting. None were broke, only the 12 year old had ever been off the place. They had been led from the mare field a mile down the road when they got too old to run with them. The five year old stallion was running with the mares. The owner's son was just *sure* he was 3! I got someone to contact the fellow and make an offer...just for the sake of the horses. However, in his eyes these were *valuable* race horses and were just fine where they were. Soon met a woman who had happened by one day, noticed them hungry and had gotten involved. She had been buying all the hay they were getting out of her own pocket, had paid vet bills when the owner said he didn't have the money. She was at her wits end since she'd gotten involved, wanted out, but felt sorry for the horses. She had even tried to buy the 7 year old though she had no experience with horses at all, but the owner said "he's way too valuable to geld" and would only sell with breeding rights. Even when he agreed the others could be gelded he insisted the 7 year old not be :-P That was what threw me. Why the 7 year old? I looked up his pedigree. His name is JA Hallys Eclipse. His sire did not race and he was its only son. His grandsire only won $9,000...no great shakes. He had no sign of the Samtyr horses. Why this one? He looked kinda clunky for racing but I really liked his heavy legs, big feet and *large* joints. This guy had 4 stallions. The 5 & 6 year olds were full brothers, sons of the 12 year old stallion and sons of the guy's most valuable brood mare the Samtyr daughter. Does this sound like a well thought out breeding operation? I wasn't really looking for another horse but felt sorry for these guys and knew that as scarce as hay is now it will be *nonexistant* this winter and these guys were going to starve. Finally the guy agreed he should sell the 6 & 12 year olds, but *never* the 7. WHY???? I wondered. Suzanne had paid for the arabdatasource for the month and got so tired of me asking her to look things up she let me use her account. Here's what a bit of detective work yielded. The seven year old's sire didn't race, but he's doing endurance now, as a matter of fact he did the OD 50 this Spring. His grandsire was the $9,000 winner named MHF Eclipse...oops, wait, check the Cre Run website. LOOK AT THE PHOTO OF THAT SUCKER! http://www.crerun.com/stallions/index.html (scroll to the bottom of the page) Says that he's the "foundation sire of Cre Run" Turned out he sired 75 or so horses (he died young) and they won lots of money. As I scanned the names of owners I saw Becky Hart. What? So, looked up that horse's record. "Aleclipse"...DUH! That's who Heather won the AERC National Championship on a couple of years ago. 10 BCs, 8 100's, finished Tevis, etc. etc. So...that's Seven's sire's 1/2 bro. Kept looking...SS Yankee Clipper is another 1/2 bro. to his sire. 2,160 miles, 7 100 milers, 7th at OD! Then there was Shezuntouchable 755 miles, 5 BC's almost all top 5. Now I'm feeling guilty since I thought I let Suzanne get the better bred horse. Then I checked out Seven's dam. His dam, Hallanys Countess produced 5 projeny. Seven's 1/2 bro. Jamag Hallany has 1050 endurance miles and has done one 100. Seven's 1/2 sister (ridden as Comet in AERC) Jamag Comet has done 400 endurance miles and quite a few LD's. On the LD's she tends to be 1st & BC. She was 2nd & BC on her 2nd 50. Then she did the OD 100 for her first 100 and was 8th and had high vet score. Comet has a son, (out of the same sire as the 6 year old which Suzanne bought) named Jamag Golden Boy He's got 755 miles...has done the OD 100 3 for 3 (one was the NC) and also 2 2 day 100's. OK, I still don't know why this guy wants to breed Seven for race horses, but I'm thinking he needs to do endurance! More detective work told us he had already received 60 days notice, (which had passed) for the mares to be taken off the mare's field. Then even better, the Power Company needed to get to their lines in the Stallion field and when they looked up the records to see who had the field leased to get the gate opened they found that nobody had paid the lease in 18 years and it was about $10,000 behind in rent. :-) Owner got 30 days notice, suddenly decides it's time to sell, Suzanne & I got new horses. :-)) A while back people asked "do you get a horse vetted". Well, all I can tell you is Suzanne bought her 6 year old Samtyr grandson without seeing him in the flesh, just saw the photos I sent which included his "daisy feet". I bought mine without ever seeing him break into a trot. I still haven't seen him trot. I guess ya just gotta have *faith*. >g< I was thrilled that mine got in the trailer with minimal rump roping and made it to the house and into the pen I had reinforced, but the soonest I can get his "brain surgery" is Tues.:-( Suzanne is pretty sure her horse isn't even broke to lead, so the vet's meeting her before they get him off the trailer (he required maximal rump roping). He was awfully tolerant of us though and never offered to kick even when ropes touched his hind feet, etc. Scared, but not mean. I still LOVE Gunner. After buying a well broke horse I thought I'd sworn off this kind of crap and hearing a 7 year old stallion out there screaming at my good horses worries me to death till he meets the Dr., but this boy was way too promising to leave there and who the heck else would want him right now? NOBODY BUT US, that's who. The best thing about getting a 2nd horse is that it tends to make your first horse stay sound. Right on target, when I said I'd buy this horse the vet pronounced Gunner much better and told me to resume training. :-) Maybe I'll hit the jackpot and be like Suzanne and have 2 up and going. :-D If Suzanne and I both get 100 mile horses out of 2 that we never saw break into a trot we're going to have to laugh. If they bomb...well heck, what did we expect? >g< Also, Linda Norton went to a ton of effort to help get these horses where they won't go hungry. She negotiated with the owner and convinced him he needed to do this. She took the 5 year old stallion to her own place and is paying to geld him and get him going so he can be sold, along with some other well bred mares. If anyone is interested in Samtyr bloodlines this little (he's small) 5 year old is Samtyr grandson plus more Samtyr on sire's side, 1/2 brother to Jamag Golden Boy (the 3 100's on the OD trail horse) He didn't miss any meals and his feet were OK. He's friendly for petting but hasn't done anything. I have photos if you're interested. There's also a 15 year old mare named Bandoll that is built STRONG that Linda's neice broke to ride 3 years ago and came in 2nd & BC and I believe won another LD. They said the Comet mare they have that's done so well wasn't broke till she was 14. P.S. As for the name "Seven" He is the 7th horse I've personally owned for endurance. 7 was my softball number growing up. I was trying to close the deal on 7/7/07, and he was "the 7 year old". I got him today, 7/13 (Friday). I like Friday 13 since my dad was born Friday 13 and was 13th grandchild on both sides of his family, I was born on the 13, and Josie was born Friday 13. So, I was glad to get him on 7/13/07 :-)) Off to see if things have settled down any out there. Angie McGhee http://www.lightersideofendurance.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. 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