[RC] Vice breaker collar - so sad - Sheila_LarsenNOT, before being overly concerned (or sad) about the use of any training tool, be aware of the facts: they have a much less shock than an electric fence (and certainly far less than a dog collar which is not appropriate for horses) , they are not any more a punishment than a horse kicking another horse and probably less because the chance of a serious injury isn't there. Every natural horse trainer I have talk to about solving my horse's problem, including a 5 star Parelli instructor, has said: "I don't know how to solve your problem and I have discussed this type of problem before with Pat and he doesn't know either. " I would suggest watching their video before saying ... so sad..... and think of the alternatives to some behaviors (death, injury etc). Sometimes it doesn't matter what causes the problem, for example, another horse savaging another horse, it just needs to be fixed. FYI that is not my problem... Many people think that the "natural halters" are mean because they put pressure on sensitive points and would never use them. I on the other hand wouldn't be without them because the can be uncomfortable. Remember we are talking uncomfortable, not a great amount of pain, with shock collars and halters. Thanks, Sheila The wind flew. God told to wind to condense itself and out of the flurry came the horse. But with the spark of spirit the horse flew by the wind itself. - Marguerite Henry's King of the Wind =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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