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RE: [RC] [RC] [SPAM] RE: [RC] [RC] slaughter vs. consumption - Smith, Dave

The feel-good ban on horse slaughter reminds me of a vote here in California 
about five years ago which banned the hunting of mountain lions. Interestingly, 
the people who voted for the ban came from the state's largest cities:  L.A., 
San Diego, San Francisco and Sacramento.  People who actually live in lion 
country overwhelmingly opposed the ban.  So, rather than control the lion 
population via a set number based on scientific management of surplus lions to 
be harvested by hunters, the big city dwellers opted on a feel-food vote to 
eliminate any control at all.  As a consequence, those of us who live in lion 
land have witnessed a significant increase in lion encounters with people 
(several of whom have been killed) and the loss of dogs, cats and livestock. 
Unfortunately, no politician has yet agreed to my suggestion that we humanely 
trap problem lions out here in the sticks and ship them to large cities where 
they could be set loose in big city parks to prey on city dogs, cats and kids. 
The city folk want an abundance of lions, they would get an abundance of lions. 
Funny how they don't like my idea.      

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From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jessica Cameron
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:02 PM
To: ebeyrider@xxxxxxxxxxx; heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; rainbowmeadowsranch@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [RC] [RC] [SPAM] RE: [RC] [RC] slaughter vs consumption

Actually no, it wasn't voted on by the citizens of this country...it was 
decided in the court systems, and funded by a strong extemist view, which 
I'm pretty sure PETA backed as well.  I also don't think that Heidi ever 
once said she was going to eat her horses or give them to her neighbors to 
eat.  What she is saying and what a great majority of responsible and 
reasonable livestock owners know is right is that it is wrong for the 
extremely vocal minority to creat policy in our court systems because it 
makes them feel good that horses aren't going to be mercilessly killed for 
human consumption overseas.  Those same horses are still going to be 
slaughtered, it will just be done in Canada or Mexico where they will face a 
long trailer ride, followed by a long wait time in deplorable conditions.  
So, the vocal minority has not solved the "inhumane and unethical" treatment 
of these horses, they have just made it worse.

Jessica Cameron~~~Mtn. Region



From: "Terry Banister" <ebeyrider@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
CC: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, rainbowmeadowsranch@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [RC]   [SPAM] RE: [RC] [RC] slaughter vs consumption
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:21:08 -0800

It has been voted by the majority of the citizens (our governing system in 
this country) and it is a done deal. But if you did choose to eat your 
endurance horses, I don't think there is any law that says you can't! I am 
sure if your neighbor wanted to eat your horses, you could still GIVE him 
some, instead of raising them for the purpose and SELLING them to him. And 
there won't be any tax credit from the government for running a farm/ranch 
for that purpose.
Terry
"May the Horse be with you"


From: heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: Terry Banister <ebeyrider@xxxxxxxxxxx>
CC: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, rainbowmeadowsranch@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [SPAM] RE: [RC]   [RC] slaughter vs consumption
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:54:03 -0700


It is the CHOICE of SOME PEOPLE in the United States not to eat horses,
etc.? It is not the RIGHT of those same people to make that judgment call 
for others.? (FWIW, I'm among those who CHOOSE not to eat horses, dogs, 
cats etc.--but I fully recognize that that is my CHOICE, not my RIGHT to 
impose those choices on others.
?

And HOW MANY horses have to suffer in order for this magnificent
economic pressure theory to become a reality??
?
Heidi




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Subject: [SPAM] RE: [RC] ? [RC] slaughter vs consumption
From: "Terry Banister" <ebeyrider@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, March 15, 2007 10:44 am
To: heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, rainbowmeadowsranch@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


It is the CHOICE of the people of the U.S. NOT TO EAT DOGS, CATS and
HORSES

because they are looked upon as family pets and best friend material.
And

there is NO NEED to eat dog and horses in this country, so this should
be a
dead issue.


Based on this fact, breeding excess animals (dogs, cats or horses) or


acquiring excess animals that cannot be cared for as one would care for


one's own child, is going to become econimically unprofitable, and the


people who are doing it will eventually think twice. But it will take
time

for the new habits and practices to become established. We are now going


through the necessary thinking process. I am confident that the next

generation will do things more efficiently and humanely.
Terry
"May the Horse be with you"



From: heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: Karen Everhart <rainbowmeadowsranch@xxxxxxxxx>
CC: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [RC] ? slaughter vs consumption
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:30:20 -0700

Indeed.? Please define "humane" and "ethical."?
?




A captive bolt in the brain is certainly "humane."?? And

to


suggest that it is unethical for humans to consume horses is biased

at

best.
?




What is completely inhumane is to be unrealistic about the world

in


which we live, in which many horses will end up starving, ill,

injured, and


neglected, with no recourse to many owners.? You CANNOT

legislate


morality--perhaps Prohibition was one of the more graphic examples

of


that.? And to ignore the fact that most horses in this country

(I would


wager that it's the majority) are in situations where they are

expendable

when their humans face hard times is indeed unrealistic.?
?




The article that Angie shared IS the reality of it.? And what

has


been forced by the poorly-thought-out-and-emotionally-driven

anti-slaughter

legislation is indeed inhumane.
?




I never much thought about horse slaughter in my growing-up

years--we


"culturally" did not eat horses, and when ours were old and infirm,

a quick


bullet ended their lives, whereupon they were consumed by birds and



coyotes.?
?




As I've grown older, I have realized that it is immaterial who eats

the


horse (human or coyote), even if I prefer not to--and that most of

the


world can use humane slaughter as an option, whereas leaving the

carcass


for the coyotes is not an option in much of our populated

world.?

?



Outlawing slaughter has and will continue to promote equine

suffering--an


outcome that I personally consider to be unconscionable.? If

the folks who


have agitated for anti-slaughter legislation TRULY wanted to help

alleviate


equine suffering, they would petition to have local plants built

where


horses could be directly hauled by their owners.? I can

guarantee that NO


amount of lobbying will change the fact that most horses live in a




precarious balance--and when the lobbying to prevent slaughter

progresses

to another level of "success," the horses are the true victims.
?




Karen, I do admire what rescues do--that's great.? I abhor

careless


breeding without thought or study to ensure that the resultant

offspring


can have useful jobs.? But neither your position nor mine on

those subjects


will have any great effect on the reality of the situations of many

horses


in this country, should they fall upon hard times.? It is

relatively simple


and within the means of most people to euthanize?dogs and cats

and have


them buried or cremated.? When a horse falls on hard times,

those options


just are not realistic in a great many circumstances.? THAT is

the reality


of it, and THAT is the niche that slaughter serves to prevent those

horses

from going on to suffer.?
?
Heidi
?
Heidi









I find that an interesting statement.? Why are the "anti-slaughter



folk" responsible for "realistically" addressing the problem of what

to do


with unwanted horses unless THEY produced the unwanted horses??

Seems to me


that "we" horse folk should be responsible for dealing with the

unwanted

horse population in a way that is humane AND ethical.


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