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RE: [RC] Empirical evidence versus statistics - heidi

I'm not sure I follow your logic.  FEI competition is a "whole nuther can of worms," and yet those horses, even with incredible stress, are expected to meet such a criterion.  Rather than asking ourselves why this rule has not mitigated the treatment rate at FEI rides (which is a red herring anyway, since there are so many other factors involved), we should be asking ourselves why we are willing to allow horses a whole hour to recover when we know that even those horses stressed to FEI levels can recover in half an hour, race or no race.
 
Let's face it--the vast majority of horses will not be affected in the slightest by such a rule.  But if such a change slowed down even a handful of riders that are putting their horses in jeopardy by overriding the last leg of the trail, it is worth it.
 
Heidi


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [RC]   Empirical evidence versus statistics
From: "Bob Morris" <bobmorris@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, January 06, 2007 2:45 pm
To: <heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "'Bruce Weary'" <bweary@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

The wording presented to the AERC Membership, in the January 2007 EN, states; ""Fit to Continue" at a vet check during a ride is considered as meeting criteria in 30 minutes, and should , in the best interests of the horse, be the standard at the finish line."
 
"This rule change would affect horses that may be asked to "race" the last leg of a 50 to 100 mile ride with the thought that they have a full hour to recover to pulse criteria."
 
All FEI rides have had similar criteria, has it done anything to mitigate the speeds encountered in such competition? Has it improved the welfare of the horses in FEI competition?
 
While not in opposition to such a change, I still would like to see a more definitive position from the committee other than the above quoted. What metrics will be used to determine the success or failure of this rule change?
 
Bob
 
 
Bob Morris
Morris Endurance Enterprises
Boise, ID
-----Original Message-----
From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 1:01 PM
To: Bob Morris
Cc: 'Bruce Weary'; ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [RC] Empirical evidence versus statistics

Huh?  Not sure where you've been the past several years, Bob, but yes, it is the "empirical" experience of many of us that long recoveries post-ride constitute risk, and that the finish line is one of the most common places for treatment.  So I'm not sure why you think that there is no empirical reason driving this particular concept.
 
Heidi


Bob wrote:
I agree our empirical experiences influenced by veterinary
insight/science has played a great part in past decisions
regarding the competition rules of conduct. But invariably
these empirical experience governed rules changes have been
introduced in a manner such as; action x has produced
results y which are not completely satisfactory for our
sport, thus if we modify x to x1 state we think our results
y1 will be more acceptable.

In the current discussion of modifying a particular rule,
there has been no presentation of what fault is currently
perceived with the rule as it is.

A few questions on this matter:
1. Is there a concern for the numbers of equines taking a
lengthy period for recovery after crossing the finish line?
2. Are there more equines presenting for intervention post
finish than at interim vet checks?
3. Could we have the rationale behind the WH Committee's
decision for the change? What conditions in our sport
preceded the decision?
4. Do you really expect this rule change to have a
noticeable effect on our sport?
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