[RC] The Big Tent (was:BC at Desert Gold) - k s swigartRenie Burnett said: I surely don't want to FORCE anyone into doing anything. If she doesn't want to force anyone into doing anything, then I wasn't talking about her. And, so few rides in the West Region use the AERC BCLD, I suppose I could just stay home and enjoy my "misery." Or, since there is apparently an unmet need in the West Region, she could put on a ride herself that offers AERC BC for LD. There is nothing stopping her, or anybody else who wants to attend an LD ride in the West Region that offers AERC BC for the LD ride from putting one on. And Richard Sacks said: I also believe that the methodology of reporting results should not be at the discretion of any ride manager. I believe that for a national organization there should be consistent standards nationwide and the AERC LD rules provide that framework. IF the AERC wants to be a big tent that accommodates everybody, then, by definition it cannot have too rigid of standards. The more rigid and uniform your standards, the fewer people there will be that are happy with them and want to participate. Kat may be right that some ride managers might decide not to offer LD rides. This was threatened by the ride manager at DG. I don't think that a solution offered in response of organizing an independent LD ride on the same day (on public land) would be a healthy approach but it could come to that if enough people are not satisfied with the way things are run now. Personally, I consider it a perfectly healthy approach. For those riders in the western regions who want to compete at less than endurance distances and get BC awards for their efforts, they and go to NATRC rides. At NATRC rides they will find like-minded people who are eager to give BC awards for riding the 25-35 mile distances. For those riders in the western regions who want to race to the finish line at less than endurance distances, they can still do this at an AERC LD ride.just don't expect any of the current West Region ride managers to give you a prize or any recognition for it. If they want a prize and/or recognition for racing, they can go start their own organization that offers such things. Or, even easier, they don't even HAVE to start their own organization, they can just put on an AERC sanctioned ride and offer the awards and placings that the AERC allows but does not require any ride manager to offer. If there really is a significant segment of the AERC population in the West Region that wants this, there will be plenty of people lining up to attend. Allowing but not requiring is the way to keep the big tent open to all participants. If you start making strict requirements, THAT is when you get organizations splitting up and forming their own groups. So, Renie and Richard can now get together and put on a ride that fills the unmet need in the West Region and offers placings and AERC BC for the LD. There is nothing in the AERC's rules that says they can't. If it is a success, they may then SHOW all the other west region ride managers how well it works out and THAT might convince these ride managers to do the same. kat Orange County, Calif. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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