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RE: [RC] [RC] [RC] Are the LD's feeding 50's? - David LeBlancTruman Prevatt said: heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: In fact, I'm quite sure that it isn't perilous to publishride times. With very few exceptions, the endurance speeds were FASTER than the LD speeds. (And in fact, the three LD wins that were faster in the NW than the wins on the 50 the same day were posted by Sue Nance, on experienced 50-mile and 100-mile horses...) This is not just true for last year but as you well know for most rides all years. Actually, I did exactly this. Back when you could pull ride results directly from the URL, I pulled down results for over 400 rides, all over the country. I then compared rides where an LD and a 50+ were held on the same day, and calculated the average speed of the winning riders in both distances. As with Heidi's results, there were some outliers where the LD winning time was actually faster, but the average ratio was that the 50's were run 1.15 times faster (15% faster) than the LD winners. If those "irresponsible racing LDer's" were to have doubled their times and be placed in the 50, they would have in general come in about 15th in the 50. Obviously, that's an unrealistic extrapolation - they're not going to run the 2nd 25 at the same pace as the 1st 25 (excepting maybe Sue Nance). I've always thought it ridiculous that I can take the same horse, go out and top-10 a 50, and somehow I'm a smart rider, but if I only want to go 25 miles that day, and top-10 the LD, then I'm an irresponsible lunatic. Of course, one can't compare rides where the LD times are not posted, but in the W region, for the rides where times WERE posted, the same pattern emerged. I'm sure it would. It does - the pattern holds across the whole country. With few exceptions, our LD riders are traveling moreslowly than our50 milers, no matter how ride times are posted or awardsare divvied out. Yep - absolutely correct. The records bear this out. I did my research based on data from a few years ago, so it would be interesting to pull the information again and see if there have been any changes - I expect not. The really interesting thing to me is that here in the NW, PNER gives (gasp, shudder) ***points*** to people placing top-10 in an LD ride, _requires_ times to be posted for all distances, lumps all the points for any distance together, we almost always have LD BC placings (except in BC, where they do it, but differently), and what do you know? The sky hasn't fallen, the world hasn't ended (though dogs and cats do live together at our house), we have lots of growth in our region, and even have a nice selection of 75's and 100's to choose from. So the NW region's support of LD, and treating LD the same as everything else, hasn't led to the downfall of civilization - quite the opposite. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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