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Re: [RC] Broken Trail Movie?? - Beverley H. Kane, MDCheck out the American Humane Society Film and Video Unit http://www.americanhumane.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pa_film_set_casr Unless the AHS has on-set oversight of a shoot, there is a lag time between when a film is released and the AHS can rate it. They are quite responsive, with personal e-, to viewer concerns about possible mishandling of animals. Unfortunately, in order to monitor animal action, they must be invited and paid for by the film's producers. Since increasingly film and video is shot overseas, neither the film's producers nor the AHS ends up being willing or able, respectively, to pay for oversight. In cases where all that is possible is indirect oversight, the AHS does try to exert as much positive influence as it can--talking to vets, zookeepers, and producers. I went back to AHS a couple of days ago after watching the "Extended" (extra violent X-[ ) Version of "Gladiator." (In my house we trade off--one action pic to one chick flick.) The AHS rates it as "Believed Acceptable." They has ascertained that horse (and tiger and dog/wolf) footage was a) animatronics or b) trained horses that fall in slow motion and have the frames/sec sped up for real time simulation. There was a "No Animals Harmed" disclaimer in the credits but it wasn't the AHS'. Interesting. My hubby used to work in Siliwood--Silicon Valley + Hollywood (typically Silicon Graphics/Pixar/LucasFilm + Dreamworks) on the technical side. Amazing what they can do w/ animatronics, blue screening, and other special FX. Russell Crowe, BTW, has a 560 acre cattle ranch in Australia, is quite the cowboy, did his own riding scenes except for a couple that were stunt men. Beverley On 6/26/06 8:17 AM, "Sky Ranch" <skyranch@xxxxxxxx> wrote: I saw the horse being tumbled around also, and noticed the camera angle moved up and away from that really quickly -- but probably the average "non-horse viewer" did not see it. Hopefully no serious injuries resulted, but who knows. As far the shooting scene, of course real horses were not shot. Movies have come a long way as far as using and/or abusing horses are concerned -- I clearly remember the trip-wire days when horses were tied by a front leg, galloped hard out, and when they hit the end of the line there was a dramatic fall. I'm sure glad that's outlawed now (thanks to the Humane Society, I believe). In fact, I refused to watch Warren Beatty's movie epic "Reds" because in that movie they were still using trip-wires and other restraints to make dramatic falls. They got away with it because it wasn't filmed in the U.S. I never have liked Warren B. very much after that. I have to say, I would have liked Broken Trail a lot more if there had been more horse footage and less "scared Chinese girl footage." The 1st part of course is all we've seen, the 2nd half is tonight. I'd much rather watch horses than people. <grins> What do you want to bet they teach the girls to ride and wrangle before the end of the show? - hmmm? Carla Richardson Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raven" <iceponygoddess@xxxxxxxxx> To: "ridecamp" <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:06 AM Subject: [RC] Broken Trail Movie??Did anyone watch Broken Trail last nite? Does anyone know what happen to the horse that was trampled over by the herd? It happen when the cowboys were first running the herd for 10 miles to get them "calmed down"....that poor horse falls, rolls over & over and is trampled over by at least 4-5 horses. I would really....like to know what happen top that poor horse!! And I am disappointed that the film director would allow that(fall/injury) to happen in the first place and then...have the nerve to use that footage. Also...were live horses used for the shoot out? When the horses were tripped??? Or were those dummy horses? I was trying to watch the closing credits to see if they stated "No Animals Injured during the filming", or if the Humane Society was present during the animal filming to make sure that no animals were hurt. Raven in WI =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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