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The weird thing with my "red bag" was that the bubble showed first -- no 
red-- then the nose coming with the bubble-- again everything looked 
normal yet Mark knew to break the bag and it was a lot tougher than the 
normal bag -- then he tried to pull  with the contractions to no avail 
and the mare got up to reposition several times and laid back down 
finally popping the foal out. When the placenta came out immediately 
following the foal, it was really dark yet the mare's butt was not 
really bloody like the picture on my web site. Mark said that when he 
broke the bag, he felt the foal was gone already. No tone. I guess there 
are variations on the red bag.
So sad.....
Bette

Bette Lamore
Whispering Oaks Arabians
Home of Bunny and 16.2h TLA Halynov
who lives on through his legacy Hal's Riverdance!
http://www.arabiansporthorse.com

"Life is not  a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming --WOW-- what
a ride !! "




Donna Coss wrote:

> It is fairly easy to tell if the placenta is presenting first, as I 
> learned one morning at 3 a.m. when my barn manager
> called me and said, something was wrong, "come quickly"!   I am in my 
> sixties, but knew immediately
> what it was, yelled for scissors, and began cutting.  It was like 
> cutting into a very, thick steak.  I cut through,
> felt for nose and feet and by then more help had arrived.  It was 
> difficult delivery, but the foal was just fine!
> I will never know how I had the courage to do what I had to do, as I 
> can't even look at one of my horses
> when it is injured.
> This is where the caution comes in!  A few years later, a first time 
> mare, began delivering in the field, at about
> 2 p.m.  This time I was called and the bubble was red, quite 
> pronounced and protruding about 8 inches.  But
> when I touched it, it was soft, like tissue.  The vet arrived and it 
> was the bladder coming first!   The vet got the mare
> up, let her lie down luckily on a hill with her head down, and was 
> able to reposition and gently pushed it in place.
> Foal then arrived with normal position.
>
> With red bag you will know it, and you have about a minute to cut 
> through the placenta!
>
> >   
>
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