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Re: [RC] [RC] Flaxen, Sabino gene - Soli SorokinSounds like she is a rabicano. She may have the sabino gene, but usually there is more white on the face with that. She does not carry the tobiano gene based on your description. Rabicano causes white hairs interspersed on the coat (and the coat is often, but not always, more "smutty" than the usual for whatever color the horse is). It also usually causes white on the tailhead and interspersed within the tail - anywhere from a few hairs to quite a few. I would not expect her to produce any significant pinto coloration in foals, but she may pass on the rabicano, or sabino if she does indeed carry it. Interestingly enough, the sabino that exists in TWH's and the one that exists in other horses, particularly arabians, seems significantly different in the possiblities for coat patterns. CMK arabians, which seem to have the greatest incidence of the Arab-type sabino, often have tall white socks and big blaze faces, often also having belly spots. But you never see a maximum-expressed sabino as you do with TWH lines that carry sabino. (This will be a foal born white, with some very minimal body spots of color). You also don't see the pseudo-tovero (tobiano-overo combination) colorations that sabino produces in TWH's but does not produce in Arabians. My guess is that these are two different genes that produce similar results and have therefore been named the same thing. I do not think there is a test for either sabino pattern. Here is a picture of a colorful sabino TWH stallion. He does not carry an overo or tobiano gene, and has sired everything from solid foals to foals with "Arab type" sabino to foals colored such as himself, out of solid mares. http://www.dawsonwalkers.com/ I did own a rabicano arab filly quite a few years ago. She was a liver chestnut, very dark, with white hairs on the flank and shoulder area and a white tailhead with a few white hairs through the tail. Her sire was black-bay and her dam was chestnut-gone-grey. Her sire was not rabicano so I presume it came from the mare, but as she was grey it was not visible. The filly actually had some black hairs in her coat and to simply look at her one would think she might have been a very sunburned black, but she was most definitely chestnut by genetic testing. ~S On 1/8/06, L gin <ladurgin@xxxxxxx> wrote: Interesting you mention this . My mare Honey is 32/34 Arabian, double registered half-arab, and Pinto BS. She is a greatgrandaughter of Khemosabi- rest is Davenport,Crabbet- some Spanish. She was registered as a Chestnut as a foal with IAHA -- later I changed it to bay---- but she probably is a chestnut with sabiano gene. Body color is goldenred color. She has two dime size or smaller white spots on her shoulder (her only pinto type spots- present form birth)-- Two white socks in front. She has a sprinkling of white hairs on her body mainly on her sides and back. Her mane and tail are black in the center with glaxen hairs on the outside-- "Skunking" I believe it's called. Whe has a white crescent marking on her forehead and a snipe on her nose. She also is "mealy mouthed"..... I think she has all the colors. Her sire was a Tobiano/half arab registered. Dam was a chestnut. They said she'd throw pinto babies..... No she has never been bred...certified pasture potato...though my daughter is thinking of breeding her to a pony for a high end Hunter pony. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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