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Title: Re: [RC]   Google Indexes All of Ridecamp

John – Thanks. ACK! I understand what you’re saying. I had typed a bunch of stuff about secure socket layers, encryption, email clients vs. browsers, and various protocols, including TC/IP vs BBS-type dial-up, but deleted it for simplicity and “for posterity.”  :-) -- Beverley


On 5/3/06 8:03 AM, "John Teeter" <johnt@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Beverly, 
>
> Thank you for bringing all this up. You've mixed email (SMTP Protocols) and Web (HTTP Protocols). They are very different and both have secure/open versions. In addition, the instant messaging (using either proprietary (MSN/IRC/AOL etc. protocols) and Text Messaging (SMS on cell phones) are different yet. (there is also NNTP - network news Protocols). 
>
> But all that aside, enduranceNet (HTTP), ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (SMTP) and the ridecamp archives (also HTTP) are, and have always been, openly accessible on the net. there was  time b/f I started masking out the email addresses from the archival ridecamp messages, that I restricted the google indexing of the archives (and I think 2000-2002 are still not indexed by google for that reason). But there seemed to be little need to restrict the indexes when there were no email addresses in there (plus, the email scavengers didn't honor the robots.txt directives anyway...).
>
> Steph has thought about restricting the archives to only registered users via userid/password mechanisms(and dumping the guest message stuff), but it hasn't happened yet. It may sometime, but unless there is some great burning need, it's not likely to be soon.
>
> So yes, your tracks are out there and your posts to ridecamp will go to the (roughly 3000) people who receive direct email deliveries and they will be converted to web pages so that anyone interested can go read them. Be polite!! 
>
> jt.
>     
>
>
> At 08:38 AM 5/3/2006, Beverley H. Kane, MD wrote:
> > A bit OT, yet worthwhile pointing out, b/c in my experience there's a lot of
> > confusion about what's the public, unsecured Internet; an
> > organizational/corporate private intranet; and a business-to-business
> > private extranet. And no one should be concerned about secure messaging
> > one's healthcare providers just b/c RC is public.
> >
> > Ridecamp "e-mail" is by choice of the administrators publicly accessible.
> > There is no password-protected login needed to read it; messages go over the
> > public internet; and our words are exposed unto eternity to anyone with a
> > web browser.
> >
> > "Secure messaging" is different from "e-mail." It is used for transactions
> > such as home banking, communicating over a hospital/clinic/doctor's website,
> > and e-commerce on Amazon and e-Bay. SM is not exposed publicly and is
> > theoretically (with notable newsworthy exceptions) tightly private and
> > secure. If you look in the address bar of your browser and it says "https"
> > (the "s" stands for "secure") instead of just "http," it's a good bet you're
> > in a secure messaging environment and your communication is private.
> >
> > Ridecamp could move to a secure extranet model. Or we could all be much more
> > continent and considerate and conscious of our communication for public
> > posterity.
> >
> > Beverley
> > Woodside, CA
> > AERC #33689
> > 1993-5 chair, American Medical Informatics Assn Internet Working Group
> > author, "Guidelines for the Clinical Use of Electronic Mail With Patients"
> > http://www.amia.org/mbrcenter/pubs/email_guidelines.asp
> >
> >
> > On 4/30/06 11:40 PM, "k s swigart" <katswig@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >> It's like saying "What's your problem?  Timbuktu was
> > >> always publically-accesible!" after a Star Trek transporter
> > >> has been invented.
> > > 
> > > Indeed, it is exactly like saying that. What IS your problem? Google
> > > seems to have made it easier for people who are interested in the
> > > information provided on Ridecamp to find it.  So what?!?!?!
> > > 
> > > kat
> > > Orange County, Calif.
> >
> >
> >
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