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RE: [RC] dog attacks - Pat and Janett Van NulandWell, not really in the ear. It's called a breaking stick and it pry's the mouth open after locking. Yes, they do lock. Kind of like a vise grip. the hinge part of the jaw moves to make it easier to hold something in the jaws, without much effort on the dogs part. The jaw also does a grinding motion back and forth in this position, micro shredding. Pit bulls have to learn how to release the lock and it ends up being a trail and error till they learn, some don't have the proper toys to learn this. Pit bulls were bull and boar baiters, and when that was outlawed they became dog fighters. There is this thing called Gameness that these (and a few other breeds have) it is a will to "never give up." If a Pit is going to attack they don't usually give warnings like raising the hackles, growling , or even barking. There is no need to give warning, because they are going to attack regardless. The have a high tolerance to pain. They are very sweet to humans in general, but their up bringing makes a difference . If you are not the pack leader, then they are, whether you know it or not. They are smart and dominating dogs, They are Terriers. (Terriers also have longer canine teeth, and in general there teeth are bigger) I owned a few and have known many. Like in all breeds of dogs they are not all equally good , per standards. Their is the AKC, which doesn't recognize Pit bulls, they are Staffordshire Terriers, (same dog hundreds of years ago with different standards. This size head, body, tail, temperaments etc. till the Gameness was pretty much breed out of them. They look the same as the others). ADBA still breeds for gameness. They want dog fighting Pits, they don't care what size head or body style it has, only that it is a game dog. Also back in the 1920's and 30's (before dog fight was outlawed) it was a classy event to go to. Suits and ties were the attire. They have certain rules to follow as well. Not all fights were to the end like you always hear about. The dogs went to opposite ends of the box , which was a certain size and the dogs were release to fight. One rule was if a dog turned it's head away from the opponent it was called a scratch. The dogs were separated and the turning dog was released against the other, according to how fast it went back after the opponent. I would have to go back and reread my info to get the rules exact. No, I have never been to a dog fight, but I have seen lots of dog fights between other breeds and when I got into Pit bull I had to learn about their history. When a Pit fights another Pit it is very different then other dogs fighting. They enjoy doing it, it makes them happy. Scary and intriguing all at the same time. Kind of if you bought a lab you would want to understand why that dog always wants to fetch something, i.e.: retrieve ducks from the water. Anyhow like I said not all of the same breed fit all the standards. Some can't fight, some are good at it, some are not, dominating most are , some have a high tolerance for pain some don't. EACH is an individual. I think most people who own them now don't really understand what they own,. They are deadly weapons with the wrong owner. I have seen it time and again. My Pit thought he was a tough cat. He was raised with and around cats all his 15 years. he even had his own cat (she preferred him to us). He had a pet duck, but even when he go lose to chase a cat that wasn't ours he just wanted to sniff "kitty butt" . But a dog well that was a different story. I got him at 4 weeks and put him down at 15 years. He raised all three of my kids, (he was 7 when I had kids). we had other dogs at our house but outside dogs well that was different. My Dad was dog sitting him and our other dog while we were gone 2 days. We left instructions to not take him anywhere. Of course Dad always knows best :>) well not in this case. He took him in the back of the truck to a small shopping area, not tied in . He jumped out and attacked a Scotty. Three men hit him with a shovel, 4x4 and stabbed him in the back with a 4 prong pitch fork, about 3-4 inches deep. None of this bothered the dog, in fact Dad said he didn't even notice, which of course freaked everyone out. MY Dad called me to inform me he was on his way to put my dog down because of this. I spent about a hour convincing him not to do anything till I got home in the morning. We were 2 hours away. I have 15 years of stories just with that one alone and he was special to me even now. He was also large 98 lbs of pure muscle, he use to pull our old 63 Nova down the street. I tried to introduce him to horses when I got back into them, no way he was going to eat my mare . I think he just figured it was another larger dog, same with the bull he met once, no fear. Anyhow to make this short, they are a special breed and I love them to death, BUT allot of people should NOT own them that do. Just be careful they have been known to be shot in the head and be dead and still locked on to what ever it was to start with. -----Original Message----- From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of rides2far@xxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:31 PM To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [RC] dog attacks I was told by a fellow who claimed he fought dogs that you couldn't pry their jaws open. The only way to get one loose after it clamped down was to ram a pointed stick in its ear. Lovely thought. Angie (who just returned from a LOVELY ride with no dog attacks...only mugged by my Aussie with a frisbee when I got home.) 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