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All I have to say is you're way better at it than we are in getting in and 
out of those checks. I have the same experience at Karen with multiple 
holds.

Where I really found that out was when I went back to do a couple of LDs on 
the new boy James Dean. Wow, did I have to ride faster than I do on a 50 to 
get those 25's done in time! Multiple vet holds meant multiple times in 
line.  I've spent at least 15 minutes in the Gate into a Hold P&R line many 
times, just getting to my hold. One time I spent almost 30 minutes in that 
line. Some rides give you a little sticky note with your arrival time on it 
(which is different than your P&R time) and others do not. I have never paid 
attention to whether they take that into consideration on your finish time 
since it usually doesn't matter to me. I don't think they do. But the time I 
waited 30 minutes in line, there were no stickies, and I was OT for that 
ride. I still got credit for it because I was only over by 2 minutes.

:) Jackie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Truman Prevatt" <tprevatt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "DreamWeaver" <nvrider@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <rides2far@xxxxxxxx>; <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [RC] re: speed at multidays


> I've never noticed any difference between two vet check rides and three 
> vet check rides or even one ride we had aound here that was four checks 
> (50 miles). The few minutes - and it's no more than 7 to 10 minutes I lose 
> getting in and getting the pulse checked in the extra check I more than 
> make up for on the trail letting them stop and much some because of the 
> longer loop. Sure this just isn't mental rather than actual?
>
> Truman
>
> DreamWeaver wrote:
>
> > At 03:03 PM 2/24/2005, Truman Prevatt wrote:
> >
> > > I've never quite understood that argument either. Your ride time is you 
> > > does not include you hold time. Average_speed X ride_time = distance. If 
> > > you ride steady at 6 mph it doesn't matter how many vet checks you have 
> > > your ride time will for 50 miles will be 8:20 if you have one check two 
> > > checks or three checks. Like Angile if I only had one check, I'd take 
> > > more time since I would stop to eat on the trail.
> >
> >
> > I would probably argue about it too, if I hadn't experienced how it 
> > really works for me and my horses. They all get into a routine. It takes 
> > time to go into the check, as I usually will dismount and walk into the 
> > vetcheck -- that alone can add an extra ten to fifteen minutes to each 
> > and every check depending upon how far I walk. Then I have to go to the 
> > in-timer, the horse usually wants to drink before I get a pulse, then go 
> > get a pulse. If there is a group I may have to wait (most of the time I 
> > have to wait, because most of the rides in my region are quite large). 
> > Sometimes you have to pull tack before you can pulse down because they 
> > want you to vet thru as soon as you get your pulse -- if I go to my 
> > trailer first to pull tack (I don't have crew), even if it is close that 
> > will waste even more time. Once you accurately figure out how much time 
> > is wasted going thru a check three times a day instead of once, then it's 
> > pretty easy to see how even if you let the horse eat on the trail it 
> > doesn't make up for that lost time, which is not included in the 'holds'. 
> > I let my horses eat the same on a trail regardless of whether or not I 
> > have one or three vet checks, if there is food and they want it they eat. 
> > They usually don't have to stop and waste time there either, they learn 
> > to grab and go. Go do some 5 day rides, then some one day rides and 
> > report back how it works for your horses, ok?
> >
> > Karen
>
>
> --
>
> “It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how 
> smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong” Richard 
> Feynman
>
>
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