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RE: [RC] Chicken Little Hysteria - heidiHeidi, sent me one link, one post, one document, one of ANYTHING to substantiate these two statements. How about a report? A study? How about just a list of the horses that died each year in the previous 5 years before the HWC came into being? If you can't send me something or post something, then I'll assume all this is verbage is just pissing in the wind. I'll send you right back to the archives where you sent me. Details were reported by several posters at the time. Meanwhile, the tone of your posts causes me to rest my case with regard to labeling some of this stuff "hysteria." HOW was it available to the membership? How did a "member" get it? Was it published in EN? I've got old issues....point me to one. No, it was not published in the EN--but a call to purtnear anyone on the vet committee could get one copies if one was interested. A lot of the stuff never got saved because nobody bothered to call. I know that I got copies of a couple of case reports that were of specific interest to me by doing so. I do not save every article or report that comes across my desk. Come on, no more crap. DETAILS! I've never given you any crap, Jim--but I do get tired of your repeated accusations and fingerpointing, as did several others the last time around. I sent a registered letter to AERC asking for ANY information on horse deaths, and they refused to send me anything. Since you were "there", what was the procedure, and I will expect you to substantiate it with something other than your "word". Jim, you do know how to play games, don't you? Full marks for that. Again, it has been repeated over and over by folks like your Marine buddy Bob Morris (who has posted repeatedly on the lack of archiving of various things) and Joe Long and others who were also in the organization at the time, so since it wasn't kept, you know that it is not likely to be available. Whoopdedoo. That does not mean that reports were not made and studied by the vet committee. But again, nobody much seemed to give a damn, so why should anybody bother to keep it? Go back and read those same archives that you touted, Jim--I know others responded on the same subject. That's all I want...facts...you haven't given me anything except bullshit. You were where? That's meaningless. At a ride where a horse died? On the Vet Committee? If so, how about sending me an old Vet Committee Report prior to HWC? What "Information" did you send in? Horse Death Report? I don't think that report existed when you were "there", wherever "there" was. Oh, puh-leeze, get a grip! Yes, I've been at rides where horses died and have filed reports. I've been at vet committee meeetings (or more accurately, vet CE meetings) where case reports from other vets were gone over and discussed. But no, you don't take anybody's "word" for anything, and why on earth would those of us not in the archiving business keep all that stuff, when the organization was SUPPOSED to be doing it? Hey, I'm as disappointed by the lack of archiving as anybody else--but that does not mean that nobody made any effort, or that you just invented Horse Welfare last year, as you would lead us all to believe. You're right, nobody gave a damn, apparently including you...and if horses died, so what. Information is useless unless you USE it for something and make it available to the membership. Jim, it WAS used for something. It was used for CE for AERC veterinarians, and many of us learned a great deal from it. Much of what your ride vets today know comes from the shared experiences and knowledge from those early CE meetings. Your self-righteousness is offensive, and your ardor would be better spent doing something positive than continuing to try to blame a great many good people who worked damn hard to get the veterinary knowledge base to the level where it is now. And publishing something in the EN is not the measure of worth--LEARNING from the past is what has value. I know I learned a lot from those shared experiences, and I know many of my colleages did too. Next time you go to a ride and ride under a competent ride vet, you ought to say a big THANK YOU to the scores of vets of yesteryear who did their best to see that information was shared so that people can learn. And next time one of those vets shares knowledge with you through an article or a seminar, you can bet your booties that some of that knowledge saw the light of day at veterinary CE meetings that discussed the times when things went wrong--either resulting in major treatments or deaths. Heidi =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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