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Re: [RC] Magnesium for spooky horse? Heidi or Dr. Garlinghouse? - Bette Lamore

Amen! Halynov was allergic to sugar and we found that out when he became a raging lion. 
He had always been so sweet and LOVED my kids. One day he charged at Ryan through the 
pipe corral- couldn't do anything but scared my son. I called the vet to geld him (first 
line of defense) and the vet had a fit-- saying he was too fine a stallion to cut. There 
weren't that many 16.2 purebred Arabian stallions around with his athletic ability and 
great conformation. I agreed yet said I wouldn't ever have a stallion that could be a 
danger to anyone and if his behavior didn't change with the gelding, the next step was 
"The shot!"
Fortunately the vet couldn't come for a few days and the next day I went to give Halynov his crimped oats 
(which Mark usually did but had an early appt-- he was a "Stuffer in" and I was the "shoveler 
out!"-- I think he got the best of it ;-)  ). At any rate, I saw the sweet feed in his can. Needless to 
say I didn't feed it. When Mark got home that night I asked him how long he had been feeding him 4lbs/AM and 
4lbs/PM of sweet feed-- and he said he ran out of oats 2 weeks before and thought it wouldn't make any 
difference (Mark was not the horse person initially- although he has had to become one with a crazy 
horse-obsessed wife :-) )-- to which I replied: "And how long has he been acting like a jerk?!!"  
The dawn came and we realized Hal had a low tolerance for sugar. Within days of his stoppage of sweet feed, 
he became his normal sweet self!! I asked the vet and he said sugar allergies were not uncommon and they can 
produce behavioral changes.
Moral of the story: before you go gelding anyone (Hal will never know how close 
he came!!) check the diet :-)
Bette
PS I should also mention that Hal was also allergic to Ace Prom. shots-- he 
would immediately snap- like a snake- after getting one-- his eyes would glaze 
over and he would be out of it. Dr. Boles had Martin give Hal the shot before I 
could tell him about the allergy so I told Martin I would hold the lead line. I 
was prepared for it and still he got me a little-- just a pinch but scary! HE 
never did that with any other kind of tranq and I wouldn't let vets or clients 
use Ace on any offspring they got from me, just in case. It is a rare reaction 
(like horses who get ACE and drop and can never retract-- I was surprised later 
on finding out this reaction that vets still would use Ace on stallions but 
apparently it is rare-- HOWEVER- just because a reaction is rare, doesn't mean 
it can't happen to you, as I found out. I am always hesitant to use Ace prom on 
ANY of my horses now. I just learned that Rompum (sp?)can have the same 
non-retractable side effect on stallions. Something
more to worry about!!
Bette Lamore
Whispering Oaks Arabians
Home of Bunny and 16.2h TLA Halynov
who lives on through his legacy Hal's Riverdance!
http://www.arabiansporthorse.com

"Life is not  a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming --WOW-- what
a ride !! "


Rosalie Marley wrote:
Jennifer - I noticed this in an earlier post of yours:
"he gets one large coffee can of shredded beet pulp daily, soaked, and
that's what I add his supplements to.  But no grain.....Maybe the
carrots (sugar) are adding to my problem..."

If he is truly sensitive to sugar, be aware that most beetpulp has
molasses added to it.  You can get rid of that by soaking in hot water
and then draining that water (most of the molasses will be dissolved
in the water) and then adding fresh water to get the soupiness your
horse likes.

Just a thought...
Rosalie

On 9/1/05, Cora <bandc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Read the cardinal rule below in last paragraph...Cora


I'd agree here. My horses don't do endurance, they do trail riding lessons with people who can't ride. I can't afford for them to be spooking at things with novices on board. I'd be out of business in a week. They may decide that they are not going over a ditch (once) but then I come back over the ditch with Mama Dory and tell them "Look PAST the ditch, stick his nose in her butt and kick the hell out of him"....voila, over the ditch. Once in a while an obstacle will be big enough that I will decide that we skip it BEFORE anyone gets the chance to refuse or spook....something like a dredge working on a canal bank where we will have only two feet in which to pass. That's not unreasonable. But to my gang's credit, their idea of a spook is a look and snort or maybe a sidestep of less than 18 in at a walk. I leave that behaviour in the repertoire because someday my student is going to ride someone else's horse and that horse might really spook. If they learn to deal with sane, polite little spooks, the students have a better chance of dealing with someone else's bigger crazy spooks...maybe.

I also make a point of riding each and every one of my horses in
rotation during the week to remind them of the cardinal rule of the
herd: "I am a carnivore. You are lunch."  And I have each of my
students repeat the mantra as they get on.

Maryanne
and her herd of really sweet horses who can't possibly be Arabs
because they don't spook

On Sep 1, 2005, at 2:27 AM, Diane Trefethen wrote:

Do you empathize with your horse when he worries or gets nervous, even if there is nothing there that is a real threat to him? Do you try to calm him with a gentle, loving tone of voice? Do you offer him a carrot or other goody to relax him in a "tense" situation? If so, then you ARE rewarding him for his behavior and there is no way on God's green earth that a smart Arabian isn't going to continue a behavior that gets him rewards. T'aint rocket science.


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