[RC] Magnesium supplementing...etc. - katswig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxFrom the Biography of James G. Penland, PhD which can be found at: http://www.gfhnrc.ars.usda.gov/scientist/penland.html Dr. Penland supervises the Mineral Element Nutrition, Neurophsychological Function and Behavior Research Laboratory also known as the Psychology Research Group. Dr. Penland's formal training is in experimental cognitive psychology AND HE HAS STUDIED THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN NUTRITION AND BEHAVIOR FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS. Dr. Penland directs a comprehensive research program to study the effects of mineral nutrition on a broad range of human and animal neuropsychological function and behavior. He performed a study that "Determined that marginal magnesium deprivation (daily intakes < 120 mg for 6 weeks) of healthy postmenopausal women results in a generalized increase in brain electrical activity consistent with increased CNS irritability observed in individuals with clinical hypomagnesmia. This was the first study to quantify brain hyperexcitability subsequent to experimental magnesium deprivation." For those of you that don't know, hypomagnesmia means low magnesmium level in the blood, and yes, there is plenty of studies (of which the above referenced snippet is just one; admittedly one done in humans) that suggest that one of the symptoms of hypomagnesmia is hyperexcitability (i.e. "spooky"). So, yes, it is possible that one of the reasons your horse is spooky is that it has a magnesium deficiency, and if that is the case, then all the training in the world isn't going to fix your magnesium dificiency problem (although it may help make your horse less "spooky" by teaching it to deal with its CNS irritability in a different way). AND, if your horse is magnesium deficient, the fact that this might make it a bit spooky is the least of your problems, since some other symptoms include (but are not limited to) ataxia, disorientation, seizures and death. Additionally, there is even one study (actually done on horses) which suggests that some of the neurological symptoms of hypomagnesmia are very sub-clinical. I am still waiting for the full paper to come to see what they really found, but the abstract can be found here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Ab stract&list_uids=12061532&query_hl=2 And the "CONCLUSIONS AND CLINICAL RELEVANCE:" from the abstract were: "None of the horses had classical signs of hypocalcemia and hypomagnesemia. In contrast, all horses had spontaneous activity in the measured muscles indicative of nerve hyperirritability. Calcium and magnesium deficits appear to have consequences, which may be subclinical, affecting functions of the neuromuscular system. This is of interest for equestrian sports in which hypocalcemia and hypomagnesemia are expected, such as during endurance rides." It might be as inappropriate to assume that your horse's "spookiness" is a training problem (rather than a physiological problem) as it is to assume that your horse's refusal to pick up the left lead canter is a training problem and not because there is an underlying physical cause (often, that is one of the first symptoms of lameness in the right hind, which would otherwise be considered sub-clinical). It is WELL DOCUMENTED that changes in diet have an effect of behaviour both in humans and in horses (such that there is at least one place, the Neurophsychological Function and Behavior Research Laboratory, devoted to its study). So dismiss all behaviour problems as training problems is fatuous to say the least. And just as a trainer might be able to get a horse that has a pathology in its right hind to pick up the left canter lead anyway (horses being the agreeable creatures that they are are frequently willing to overcome their physical discomforts and preferences to accommodate their human handlers), you might also be able to train the spookiness out of your horse even if the underlying cause of its spookiness is a magnesium deficiency. But, to answer some of the original poster's questions: So....given the above, I'm wondering if additional magnesium would help....he already gets alfafa in the morning, which I believe has a high magnesium content, so it might be pointless to try. Yes, magnesium MIGHT help make your horse less spooky (if your horse is magnesium deficient, and, BTW, a blood test is not a reliable indicator of this, although I have been doing some reading that suggests a urinalysis might be). But no, your belief that alfalfa hay has a high magnesium content is not necessarily correct, as it is very much a function of where it is grown. Additionally, alfalfa IS high in calcium, which competes with magnesium for uptake, so the alfalfa (and the calcium in it) MIGHT be the CAUSE of any magnesium deficiency your horse has (if it has one). kat Orange County, Calif. p.s. My balance between solving behaviour problems with looking for physiological explanations and addressing their underlying causes v. assuming it is a training problem and solving it with schooling goes something like this: 1. Look for any obvious physical problems before trying any schooling, since physical problems can be masked by the shooling of stoic horses. 2. Try some mild schooling (no drilling allowed) to see if the horse's behaviour problem comes from lack of understanding. 3. Work the horse a little bit more so any mild physical problems may become more obvious, or consider some mild physical problems and have them checked and ruled out. 4. Only after all physiological explanations have been pretty much ruled out do I start in on a concentrated program of "shooling" the problem away. or 4. If a physiological explanation is discovered, but cannot be physiologically fixed either a) retire the horse or b) school around it. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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