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Re: [RC] stud fees - Becky HuffmanThe other established stud that I personally know where are the Booths in Canton Texas. Look up the their horses in the aerc ride history, AAS HADEED+, IBN TAAM-RUD+, DB SHAHHAT. Their stallion SAKB is third generation endurance. His dam is FAHD ALWALIDA and her dam did a couple of 50s as a barefoot old lady. FAHD's full sister is HAWLA AL BADIA+. I believe their stallions stand for $1000 each. My young stallions are similar blood but are too young to have much record yet, but I'll be there in a couple of years. look here http://www.theoriginalseries.com/performancedetail.htm look at the repeated parents/grandparents *TAAMRI, *RUDANN, *JALAM AL UBAYAN and *SINDIDAH IBN TAAMRI, TAAM-RUD and ALWAL BAHET This is what we're talking about when we talk about *Endurance Families*. not just one or two horses, but a substantial list that does well as a group. and look at the versatility listed, not just endurance but everything from mounted archery to 4-H, and under a range of owners. I'm curious now, since we've had this turn of conversation. I agree with Heidi that the stallions and proven lines are certainly out there. As a breeder and stallion owner I cringe at the amount of competition just in my local area. Where do you-the-riders shop? I have to report the same results as Chris, that I've not had much response no matter how much I spend in advertising, I do better with the old standby of word of mouth. Here is your chance to speak up. When you're looking for an endurance bred youngster or a stallion, where are you going to look? What turns you on or turns you off about an ad? What impresses you about a farm enough to get you to pick up the phone and schedule an appointment? Becky Huffman, Cleburne, Texas www.TheOriginalSeries.com "Of the long years of peace ... there is little tale." JRR Tolkien, The Silmarillion ----- Original Message ----- From: <heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <gobert_99@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [RC] stud fees I understand what is being said about the fees being high, but what do you usually pay for a good and proven endurance horse today? It ranges from $2500 - $6000 or more. If you want to breed for an endurance horse $1000 isn't all that much. I understand you have to wait to compete the horse until it comes of age but like the statement earlier, if you want it that bad, $1000 isn't all that much. I am a young and poor (as in $$) endurance rider but I feel that if I had the choice I would pay the price even if it meant collecting cans!!!! I know what the stallion owners have to go through and it is HARD HARD work. It has to be somewhat worth your while to breed your stallion no matter what method you use. $1000 is not making stallion owners rich, it is just getting them by.Human psychology is funny, too. I started standing stallions back in the early 70s when the big investment craze was still going hot and heavy. I had a proven endurance horse back then as well, and didn't want to mess with the show fads. I stood him at a fairly low fee, thinking it would help for him to be "affordable." One of the more frequent comments that I got was, "Gee, his fee is so low--what is wrong with him?" Goes to show you can't please everybody. BTW, our guys stand for $750. That includes a stallion that was PNER mileage champion and has well over 2000 miles, a stallion that was that AHA Endurance Champion, has well over 1000 AERC miles plus oodles of CTR miles, and a stallion who had a brief career in his late teens but still garnered several hundred miles, some Top Tens, and a couple of BCs. All three come from families that have fairly reliably produced good endurance horses--the first is the son of a good endurance stallion, has a full brother that was 2nd at Tevis as well as several other full siblings that did well (at least two other full siblings over 1000 miles), has a paternal half-brother with over 10,000 miles, and has offspring doing well. The second likewise has offspring out doing well. The third is by a half-brother to an AERC Hall of Fame gelding, is himself a half-brother to a Tevis winner, etc., etc. Those of our stallions without records are still close relatives to horses with serious records. I think they are a bargain at $750, and we are generally willing to work with anyone who is a serious rider with a good mare but is short on $$. I'd say that if someone can't find good, proven endurance stallions of bloodlines consistent in the sport for under $1000, they just haven't done much shopping. Heidi =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. 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