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not always a puppy mill.  i looked long and hard to find a male that would 
compliment both of our bitches which were half sisters, i prefered not to 
ship (have YOU shipped a bitch for breeding?  i did once and won't 
again)  or to go to outside dogs.  part of the reason is because in my 
breed (border collies a few years ago) there were not very many males that 
had hips done and regular eye checks so once i found Mark  i didn't go out 
for breeding.  we had maybe 6 litters of BC total, 3 by outside males and 3 
with Mark.  those litters produced High in Trial obedience dogs, many with 
agility titles,  one little girl set a new speed record for fly ball in CA 
and may still hold that record, herding trial winners, certified search and 
rescue dogs.  we sold on a 'back to me only if you no longer want or can't 
keep it' contract.

i know what puppy mills are, i have a rescue from a puppy mill where 
breeder was a world wide known breeder and exhibitor!

some very hard working individuals own both male and female and try to do 
the very best job they can.  many big breeders who send bitches out for 
breeding don't care a whit for temerament, socialization, or helping pet 
buyers who take their culls select the right dog for them, they just let 
them pick willy nilly and take in the $$$ and run.

from a class standpoint i most often see better temperament and better 
socialized dogs in class from backyard, family litters than i do from show 
breeders.

karen



> This is so true. To me (I have been involved in showing dogs since 1956) 
> it is always a red flag when someone advertises "both parents on 
> premises". To me that means puppy mill, unless that stud dog has a win 
> record, either in conformation and/or some type of performance events.
>
> Bonnie
> So. Calif.





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