Re: [RC] rearing - Karen SullivanWell, for stuff like rearing....I am a big believer in the practice of "disengaging the hindquarters",by bending the horse in a tight circle....when you do this and force them to step underthemselves with that inside hind leg, it is very, very hard to rear, buck or bolt. The tight cirlce then also becomes the punishment for the rear, or pre-rear balk. The horses I have been on that tried to rear, well it was easy to tell in advance; there would be a balk or refusal first, if you were paying attention you could catch it.....and turn the horse before it went up. I tell, you a horse that rears is dangerous and it needs to be nipped in the bud ASAP. Any horse tries it with me gets run in circles, kicked hard and yelled at; whapped with a crop if I am carrying one. If the horse has this habit, the rider probably should NOT ride it anywhere like a narrow trail or cliff or any place they cannot circle the horse, UNTIL the horse is fixed..... I think far better to do this than hitting it on the head.....by doing circles you are taking the control and direction back. I learned the circling method years ago when I had a balky appy mare. She would stop on the trail and balk and no amount of kicking, or cropping or spuring would make her budge. She would plant her feet like a mule and just kick out backwards....forever. I finally learned if I cranked her head around to my knee, eventually the feet would move!!! Enough circles in both directions and the horse forgot which way it didn't want to go..... Just like my 5 year old that wanted to bolt up the creek bank to get to her buddy horse; I could feel her gearing up for a rush; had I kept checking her back with the reins, she very well might have gone up in the air.......so NO way I want THAT type of behavior started....hence some good tight circles allowed me to direct her feet and regain her brain...... Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Sherrell" <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Ridecamp (E-mail)" <Ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: FW: [RC] rearing I had a very experienced trainer recommend being ready for the rear and smacking the horse on the poll when it starts up -- use something like a crop, I guess. Never done it myself, but it sounds right. Something I did do, though, was to be ready for it and just go forwards and down on the horse's neck quickly and wrap arms around the neck -- this throws the balance forward so you stay on safely, the horse doesn't tip over backwards, and when the horse falls back down on its forefeet it looks around and realizes it didn't achieve anything. Mike Sherrell Grizzly Analytical (USA) 707 887 2919/fax 707 887 9834 www.grizzlyanalytical.com -----Original Message----- From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of terre Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:43 AM To: sue_jamaica@xxxxxxxxx; ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [RC] rearing then finally she convinced me to give up,by half-rearing, and spinning around while snorting. I was= more frustrated than scared,we turned back she walked fast but still jumped at things. What do I do? Or what should I have done? If you find you cannot 'force' her past the points where she begins fighting you, and the situation with the rearing is becoming dangerous, here is another alternative you might consider: A friend of mine had a horse who would quit and refuse to move--if you pushed it he would rear or back up to the point of falling off the trail. She eventually solved the problem like this: ask once or twice politely but firmly. If the horse won't go forward (or starts to rear), get off, tie it short to a tree or something (too short to graze or step over the rope) and give it an hour or so to think about it (bring a book and maybe a beer!). Get on again, ask again, and if she doesn't go, tie again. The message is "you go where I want, or you don't go at all". They learn pretty quickly, and without the fight--rearing is a very dangerous form of resistance. The other posters are right; she can't be permitted to get away with this, or it will get progressively worse and possibly more dangerous. terre =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. 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