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Re: [RC] wolves killing livestock and reasons why - heidiI'd like to throw one bit of somewhat little known research is out there, that wolves do indeed kill many sheep or lambs at once as the prey are enclosed by fences. In the real world the prey can disperse and get away, the predator drive is satisfied when one animal is brought down, Please tell that to the elk that are wantonly slaughtered by wolves. They are not in pens, they are not under man's control--they ARE in what you call the "real world." So far the biggest binge I've heard reported is 19 head, but the binge killing of half a dozen or more such as the one that Bob Morris witnessed are commonplace. So no, it isn't for 'fun' although some is to teach youngsters how to hunt. Are you saying that animals are incapable of having fun? Another poster got it right--in order for them to be successful at what they do, they HAVE to be good at it--and deriving some form of "enjoyment" out of their prowess is as natural as breathing. They have fun killing the same way that horses have fun racing across the pasture just for the heck of it. Also, research shows if you take out the predators then another will take its place, maybe one not as well behaved as the first. Why are so many missing the point here? The wolves were ARTIFICIALLY introduced into areas that ALREADY had predators--cougars, coyotes, etc. This isn't about some "right wing anti-predator" campaign--this is about foisting a predator on an area where IT DOES NOT BELONG IN THE FIRST PLACE! there are no more predators then the prey that MAN likes to hunt will be diseased as man only weeds out the young tender strong meat, not the old and sickly meat like natural predators do, and once again the balance is screwed up. To that, I have to ask you if you have ever tried to actually EAT an old trophy bull elk--those are the ones that MAN goes after, NOT the nice prime cows that are good to eat. Furthermore, please explain to the healthy cow elk and half-grown calves that were not sickly, were not starved, were not weak, and in fact were in the prime of life that have fallen victim to the wolf binge kills that wolves "only" weed out the herd. Come LOOK, and see for yourself! It is the right wing anti-predator thinking which endangered the wolf The wolf IS NOT and has NEVER been "endangered"--except as a political ploy in the minds of a bunch of "left-wing anti-public-land use thinking" liberals, since you want to put labels on things. Sorry, but I believe in feedlots for our cattle and wild places our predators can still populate. Its time we recognize the value of this and quit destroying the earth God gave us. Puh-LEEZE. The cattlemen have done more to IMPROVE natural habitat than the politicians can even begin to. Furthermore, in feedlots cattle eat feeds that can also be eaten by hungry humans, whereas when they are out on forage, they convert roughages unuseable by hungry humans into proteins that ARE useful to hungry humans. A cow out in a large area is a tolerable thing--10,000 cows in a feedlot is a mess. And as Cindy said, PLEASE come ride with us in the areas that we ranchers maintain--and please point out just WHERE we are "destroying" it. The most beautiful wildlife habitat here and in the other areas where I've lived is in the areas where there has been either grazing and/or logging. Heidi ============================================================ Common sense should also be a part of the decision making process. If you see someone who doesn't have any, hand them your tool box. ~ Lisa Salas - The Odd Farm ridecamp.net information: http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/ ============================================================
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