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Re: [RC] Vetting during holds - Howard BramhallI'm not sure what is going to happen at the FEI rides, but, I will say Dane Frazier's answer to what happened at the WEG in Spain last year (the two horse deaths) is more vet checks. I just did a 50 at Far Out Forest, with Dane as the head vet, and we had 5 vet checks including the completion for the 50 miler. The 100 milers had close to 10 but I think the first one was a trot thing. And, tack off, at all checks. I'm hoping this trend does not catch on. I don't like it. I feel like I'm suffering for the mistakes of some over zealous FEI riders. But, I do appreciate the fact that Dane does think "outside the box" and tries new things after something like what happened at the WEG occurs. Those two horse deaths will eliminate any chance of endurance ever making it to the Olympics. I'm curious how some of ya'll feel about the idea of actually adding a vet check for the 50. It seems to make for a longer day even though his hold times were only 30 minutes. cya, Howard (and, yea, CRI's at every check) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hilga Höfkens" <hilga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Ridecamp@Endurance. Net" <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 10:38 AM Subject: AW: [RC] Vetting during holds Ok, my experience on national rides in Gemany and CEIs in and around here. It seems to me, that a exit exam (with tack on) becomes ever more fashionable at international rides, exp. for the checks in the second half of the course. Ever more often the pulse criteria is set to 60 bpm / 20 min as well. And at most rides a CRI is done at the later checks (like the last two checks of a 100 miler). I do like all of it. The recheck usually is done 10min before outtime. If performed fast and with no wait, you can still let your horse graze somewhat before leaving, and with propperly organised vetchecks (the in-checkers have to wait if anybody is coming for an out-check) everybody is out in time (I never had any problems). I do agree, that with two checks (the first one usually being "tack-off") the break should be 45min. Otherwise one is busy with tacking on and off and the horse gets no real rest. The lowering of pulse to 60bpm seems to be no problem for all breeds, but slows down the race a bit (at least before vetgates). The CRI does tell a lot about the metabolic, that IMHO is hard to acess by other means. I had that experience once with my horse being fine on gutsounds and everything else, eating and all. Only the CRI would not be 2-4 beats down, but slightly up (like 56-58). Took special care of my mare in that break, and played easy the next stage of the ride. Next vetcheck CRI was fine as usual again. I still believe, if they had not done CRI, I would have pressed on, not knowing about any problem (top ten was within reach that time) and would have had trouble later on (finished 8th anyway). Hilga from Germany (Wasn´t there a t-shirt saying: "To finish first you first must finish.") My experience has been with an exit CRI, with a check of gut sounds as well (we were instructed to go 10 minutes before our out time). This, of course, requires a vet. There wasn't a huge line (it was at the 2nd of 3 vet checks, I was in the middle of the pack) but it took a total of about 10 minutes including the wait. It was a 'tack off' check which I didn't like and I don't see a big advantage. If the horse is fit to go back on the trail, having the tack on shouldn't make a difference. Staffing is always an issue because you never know for sure how many horses are going to come in together at any given point in the ride (you expect them to be bunched up at the beginning and spread out as the ride continues). An exit pulse check is a good idea and is easier to manage. It certainly would be a start in the right direction. SusanB =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ____________ Virus checked by G DATA AntiVirusKit Version: AVK 12.0.131 from 05.02.2003 Virus news: www.antiviruslab.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. 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