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Re: [RC] Smart horse? Or just foolish? - Jim HollandForgot to mention.... Tracy, go to www.google.com and search "teach horse to tie". Several good articles...all free. All of them will tell you the same thing. Takes time and patience, should teach "give" first, and that methods than cause the horse to panic are dangerous to the horse...even break their neck. The objective is to teach the horse to relax and "go forward" on poll/head pressure instead of the normal tendency to pull back. Same concept as teaching "head down" on rein pressure. You want the horse's head to DROP when you pick up the reins, not come up. If you teach this, then you don't need "tiedowns", running martingales, or any of that stuff. Me 'n Magic are off to Yellowhammer! Good Luck! Jim, Sun of Dimanche+, and Mahada Magic "T.B.Pots" wrote: OH Geez, now I feel just awful Jim! Come on, I'm speaking on behalf of the trainers at the barn...please don't make me feel like a total jerk...its not my horse, I'm just trying to help. Gosh. Tracy "who happens to care for her two "gals" very well, and just wants to offer help to a little mare getting all dinged up at the barn she boards at". Yes, I will suggest the natural horsemanship (because I use it on my horses to positive results, but its falling on deaf ears I'm afraid. But, I sure as heck won't suggest the belly rope that Ted at Running Bear Farm suggested). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Holland" <lanconn@xxxxxxx> To: "T.B.Pots" <tbpots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [RC] Smart horse? Or just foolish?Nothing personal,but I'm somewhat appalled by this whole approach. In the first place, IMHO, crossties are an abomination and should be considered abuse. Reasonable on the crossties? Would you like it if someone tied your head up so you couldn't move it? Couldn't see what was going on around you, or even stretch your neck? Would YOU be relaxed? The horse is a prey animal, who is constantly on the alert for predators....this is an ingrained trait. Of COURSE, they don't like that...and will panic when something radically scary happens and they can't SEE! The "FEET" are the key....if their feet don't move, neither will the horse. You control a horse with what is between his ears, not what is on his head. The "belly rope" will probably make it worse, IMO, possibly leading to serious injury. This horse needs ground training using Natural Horsemanship to teach her to relax, give to pressure, and stand quietly. The crossties have created a problem that will take many hours/days of patient training to overcome. Sadly, many people resort to "gimmicks" to compensate for being unwilling to take the time to train their horses. <sigh> Jim, Sun of Dimanche+, and Mahada Magic"T.B.Pots" wrote: Can anyone help? There is a paint horse at the barn that used to be reasonable on the crossties. A week ago, she reared, hit her head on the ceiling and flipped backwards. Since then she's been difficult to crosstie, lead, or single tie. They've tied her to an immovable breeding fence for three days now and she's still not learning to stand calmly. Instead, she's short circuiting (can't blame her) and just abusing herself. I feel bad for her. I searched the archives and found that someone advocates a belly rope. I don't quite understand how to "rig" it and was hoping someone could explain it in depth. I feel so bad for this four year old mare, and I don't want to see her break her neck. Currently she's tied with a natural horsemanship halter to the breeding fence for about three hours at a time. This fence is most definetly immovable (very, very sturdy). I think the belly rope goes through the halter, under the leg (or is it over the back), and back out through the halter and then tied to the fence. Is that correct? Thanks in advance! Tracy-- Richard T. "Jim" Holland Three Creeks Farm 175 Hells Hollow Drive Blue Ridge, GA 30513 (706) 258-2830 FAX (706) 632-1271 AR KI4BEN -- Richard T. "Jim" Holland Three Creeks Farm 175 Hells Hollow Drive Blue Ridge, GA 30513 (706) 258-2830 FAX (706) 632-1271 AR KI4BEN =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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