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RE: [RC] [RC] Ft Valley - eznetYou might get the impression from this that the finish line was in a crowded place. It wasn't! This was a lightly used, wide open, two plus lane road with shoulders in the middle of nowhere! Not near ridecamp, not near the dude stable, not near a town, not near a housing developement. LL -----Original Message----- From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of john thunder Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 2:50 PM To: CatfishDaniels@xxxxxxxxxxx; ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [RC] [RC] Ft Valley Catfish, You do realize that you are living in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA don't you? Try reading the Bill of Rights you moron! You don't like what I say? Fine. You totally disagree? Fine. You don't think I have the right to say it? Screw you! I'm not forcing my opinions on anyone and from the number of OTHER people who have weighed in on this subject I'd say I may have hit on a nerve that needs looking at. Move to Iran! From: "Catfish Daniels" <CatfishDaniels@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: [RC] Ft Valley Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:41:22 -0800 John Thunder, I too was trying to look you up on AERC and couldn't find you. So first of all, TAKE A CHILL PILL!!!!! Whether you agree with ANYBODY or not, I think it would be proper to keep your ridecamp communication at a level that allows others to participate in your debate. As a ridecamp participant, I do not appreciate the way you force your opinions onto others with the words that you choose. If you want to participate in a trail ride where everybody holds hands when they cross the finish line, why don't you do that and leave us alone. It is apparent that ride managers are doing everything they can to make the environment enjoyable and most of all as safe as possible. These ride managers ought to be commended for the incredible job they are doing EACH AND EVERY TIME. If you want to re-write the rules of endurance riding, then go ahead and get started. But until then, buzz off OR change your attitude. We all have something we disagree on, but we don't have to be total dicks about it. Catfish DBL Realtors -----Original Message----- From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of john thunder Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:19 AM To: renegade@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [RC] Ft Valley Okay, one last time. It's really interesting that when I first questioned the safety of the end of the Ft. Valley ride Tom was more interested in questioning the distance involved then addressing the problem. When I mentioned the Renegade accident Helen is more concerned with the number of horses involved then addressing the problem and how to prevent future disasters and now we are told it's always been done that way. The last 20 years etc, well it wasn't always done that way and if it was and it was wrong who cares if thats the 'way we've always done it'?? The crap about a vet check within the last 6 miles has absolutely NOTHING to do with the cavalry charge at the end. And yes, I can drive my car at 70 or 80 miles an hour if I want to but I can't drive into oncoming traffic or thru a school playground because "I feel like it"! Management and riders have a responsibility to their horses first, the public second,(or maybe even first), and then too themselves. If you can't guarantee the safety to all in what you do, you better change the way you do it! For a sport thats facing so many problems (disappearing trails, limits on use of national forests, public relation disasters (dead horses, mangled riders, etc.), encroaching development) whatever, it seems really sad that we (or you if you prefer) don't do those little things to help the sport when they are so easy to do!!From: renegade@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: broxboy@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Ft Valley Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:18:17 +0000 John Thunder, Since you are not willing to tell everyone who you are and in what capacity you were at the Ft Valley ride, then perhaps you have something to hide. The Old D requires a vet check with in the last 6 miles of a ride. That is why the vet check is at Hickory Ln and the finish is at the other end of the road. This has been done this way for over 20 years. Ride management cannot tell a rider how to ride a ride. If a person chooses to race it is their option, not ride managements. As for the Doncaster ride - there were only 3 horses involved in that horse accident, not the 4 you stated on ride camp. I really wonder if your facts are correct for other things. Helen John and Helen Stacy Renegade Retreat renegade@xxxxxxxxx_________________________________________________________________ Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. 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