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Re: [RC] [RC] Remote dog collar - Deanna GermanBette, Your dog was "collar-wise" (just like a "ring-wise" horse who learns when the rider has his corrective aids and when he doesn't) and congratulations, you had a smart one who learned it in one lesson! This is another example of why a dog must be properly trained and collar conditioned and the human properly trained the use the e-collar. To avoid the dog becoming collar-wise, until the dog's undesireable behavior is completely extinguished, the dog MUST wear the collar anytime he might be in that situation and the handler must be consistent in making corrections. To answer your question, a horse surely could become just as collar-wise just as quickly as your dog. It depends on the horse and how quickly they pick up on things or apply situational knowledge. To avoid the animal becoming wise to when it will be corrected and when it won't, you have to teach them that there's ALWAYS the possibility. That's why our dog wears his e-collar everytime he heads out the door to train and that's why we run him in practices that simulate competition. It's why there are such things as schooling shows (horses) and obedience run-throughs (dogs). E-collars aren't allowed in dog competitions just as many horse training aids and certain bits aren't allowed. The idea is to have the animal training beyond what's being asked in the test. Asking a dog not to chase is a test. You have to train him beyond that particular behavior inhibition. No, they don't have to be trained to it from a pup. ANY dog just needs to have a basic obedience vocabulary first and then e-collar training applied properly. And all this is why the e-collar is an advanced tool. Great in the right, educated, careful hands. Bette, if you ever get another dog like that one or the other two, I want him! There is no such thing as too smart in a dog or a horse! Too bad you're in CA and I'm in OH. Deanna (Would it surprize anyone to know that my horse wears a big ol' nylon buckle dog collar insted of a halter?) ------------------------------------- Bette wrote: I zapped our Australian Shepherd (full grown when we adopted her) and she rolled over and disappeared for three days. When she came back we did not see her chasing the horses so we thought it worked--- that is, until we came home one morning from brunch and spotted her chasing the babies. She had learned it only works when she can see us (and vice versa). We found her a good home and my husband mourned--- she was a great dog but the risk was too great. If you condition a puppy early, it could work but we went through three Aussie's/Border Collies before we gave up--- my husband loved the breed--- so smart---- TOOO smart!!! I can't help but wonder if Arabians, being so smart, could figure out the "out of sight--- out of danger" principle, too ;-) Bette =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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