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Stagg,

I'll be around the SERA bootn (booth 5 close to the raffle stage)  much 
of the time. I, like you, think they can work together, but I think it 
will take some work to get there.  There probably needs to be more 
delineation between the two events since they are two separate events 
running under different sets of rules. That needs to be understood by 
the RM and the FEI officials. As the rules between FEI and the AERC 
further diverge - and they probably will - this well become more 
important. Also what if a horse fails to meet criteria of the FEI ride 
(and is pulled) but meets all the AERC requirements? This would happen 
if for example a horse took 31 minutes to come to pulse at the end. Do 
we have anything in place to deal with these situations? IMO if he meets 
the criteria of the AERC he completes the AERC ride - independent of the 
FEI requirements. It seems like common sense but I've seen a situation 
where this issue was in question - if they are riding both and can't 
meet the FEI standard they will be pulled from all rides they are 
entered.  Since these are normally larger rides it might make sense to 
have an AERC steward present - representing the interest of the AERC and 
the AERC riders at these rides. Another potential is to have an 
independent day manager for the AERC ride.

Truman

Stagg_Newman@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> Truman,
>
> Excellent post!  Let's talk more about this at Chattanooga.
>
> Personally I would like to find a way and believe it can be done
> for FEI and AERC rides to continue to coexist and be dual santioned.
> And some of the FEI aspects can help the AERC ride run more smoothly
> at the large rides.
>
> On the other hand, I have seen and objected to the FEI officials
> (in most case well meaning officials and in some cases unknowing) trying
> to impose FEI requirements inappropriately onto the AERC ride.
>
> Most importantly IMO we must preserve and improve the tradition
> of endurance that developed in the U.S. and Canada that is embodied
> in AERC for our membership.
>
> Should be lots of lively discussions in Chattanooga!
>
> Stagg
>
> From: Truman Prevatt <tprevatt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [RC]   Endurance riding/racing growing pains
>
> Interesting observation. Up until about 2000 (or was it 2001?)  the FEI
> allowed US riders to use AERC miles for their qualifications. For the
> average AERC rider, the FEI was below the radar screen. Yes most knew
> about it but it didn't impact them in any way shape or form. The after
> the magic data, US riders had to qualify riding under FEI rules for
> championship ride, Pan Am, WEC, etc.
>
> This required FEI sanctioned rides. These rides were AERC rides that
> were co-sanctioned with the USAE and FEI, e.g. the Biltmore, Ft. Howes,
> etc. The FEI was no longer below the radar screen and there are some
> riders who feel that the FEI rules not only impact the riders that want
> (and need) the rides but every rider in the event to the determent of
> the the enjoyment of the event. There are a lot of small things, vet
> check layout and flow, crew area flow, parking and camping arrangement,
> etc. I won't comment on the merits of the complaints - except to point
> out that some people do not care for the intrusion of these FEI
> requirements on AERC rides.
>
> As measured by the membership of AERC Int. the number that actually care
> about international riding is arguably small. The number that actually
> need these rides is even smaller ( many AERC Int members don't pursue
> international riding - just support it). My last recollection the number
> of AERC Int members less than 400 whereas the AERC membership is about
> 6000. Given these small numbers and the impact some feel, the Fruth
> proposal does seem to hold some merit.
>
> However fiat, before this happens I would prefer to see the AERC
> establish a committee survey the membership that have ridden these rides
> and determine what the impact is and if it is significant, and if it is
> significant to work out procedures on how cosanctioned rides work in
> this country. After all it is first an AERC sanctioned ride and should
> riders with no interest in FEI should not be adversely impacted by the
> inclusion of FEI sanctioning? AERC Int ( of which I have been a member
> for about 10 years) primary focus is to support the involvement of US
> riders in international endurance and I feel that a) their plate is
> pretty full and b) there is an inherent conflict with their charter and
> this function.
>
> At the end of the day it may turn out that the culture of endurance
> riding in the US, being an amateur sport based on the Teddy Roosevelt
> tradition of seeing the land on the back of a horse, may not be
> compatible what seems to be the current rush by the FEI to distance
> racing ( minimal speed that preclude most of anything but flat tracks,
> etc. ) supported by UAE money.  FEI style endurance may very well
> bifurcate far enough away from AERC style endurance that it shows little
> resemblence to endurance as practiced in this country and becomes a
> separate sport. But I for one would prefer to see that decision made
> based on study, understanding and and maybe a little compromise on both
> sides rather than it "just happening" by fiat.
>
> I'm going riding now
> Truman
>
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