Ridecamp: RE: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military lands and all plant lifefrom ESA (fw

Sonoma county sports numerous examples of creekbeds sterilized by farmers
wanting a few more square yards of crops or churned to mud by cattle. I
noticed even more of the same in Alberta when we were there this summer.
All, I'm sure, by agrarians who would be the first to claim to love the land
and be stewards of it. Pardon my cynicism; it's based in experience.

Mike Sherrell
Grizzly Analytical (USA)
707 887 2919/fax 707 887 9834
www.grizzlyanalytical.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara McCrary [mailto:bigcreekranch@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:19 AM
> To: mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military
> lands and all
> plant lifefrom ESA (fw
>
>
> No one said anything about scraping out creekbeds.  Removing
> log jams is a
> matter of removing the trees that have fallen across the
> creek and cause the
> foundation for a major backup of high water during winter.
> The water flows
> around the jam, guts out the banks of the creek, takes away
> tons of good
> topsoil and washes it out to sea.  It also causes the major
> sedimentation
> that everyone is so concerned about.
>
> Barbara McCrary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Sherrell" <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <Ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:04 AM
> Subject: FW: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military
> lands and all
> plant lifefrom ESA (fw
>
>
> > Scraping out creekbeds is ecocide. Don't have to be a
> fanatic to know
> that;
> > all you have to do is ride by one before (birds, bugs,
> fish, all kinds of
> > animals) and after (sterile).
> >
> > Mike Sherrell
> > Grizzly Analytical (USA)
> > 707 887 2919/fax 707 887 9834
> > www.grizzlyanalytical.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> Barbara McCrary
> > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:04 AM
> > To: Maureen A. Fager
> > Cc: RIDECAMP
> > Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military
> lands and all
> > plant lifefrom ESA (fw
> >
> >
> > Perhaps you haven't had experiences of having your private property
> > controlled by the ESA, but we have.  I'm sure this is a
> two-edged sword,
> but
> > as property owners, we are getting quite tired of having us
> restricted
> from
> > doing what we need to do on our own land.  We can't clear
> log jams out of
> > creeks, to prevent flooding and erosion during the winter
> time, because
> > removing the jams might cause harm to the fish in the
> creek, etc., etc.
> I,
> > for one, am ready for some sanity in the government.  And it's very
> > difficult to negotiate with the fanatical
> environmentalists, because they
> > don't want to learn anything new; they already think they
> know it all.
> > Maybe things are different in Reno, but in a radius of 100
> miles or so of
> > the San Francisco Bay area, with all of its tens of
> thousands of city
> > dwellers, they believe theirs is the ONLY WAY.  Urban
> sprawl should be
> > controlled in some other manner than denying private
> property owners the
> > right to manage their own land.  I'm all for controlled
> building, up to a
> > point.  But when it costs a person $70,000 in building
> permits and all the
> > "studies" that are necessary in order to remodel an
> existing house, and
> when
> > it takes several years to finally obtain the permit, then
> it is a society
> > gone berserk.  One of our neighbors had to relocate the
> site of the house
> > they wished to build because of a wildflower that someone
> decided was
> going
> > to be threatened.  The neighbor had planned to build the
> house out of
> sight
> > of the public road, but in the end was forced to build on a
> hilltop in
> > conspicuous sight of the road.  And it's a rather ugly
> house, to boot.
> >
> > Barbara
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Maureen A. Fager" <trottin27@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Exempts private property, military
> lands and all
> > plant lifefrom ESA (fw
> >
> >
> > >
> > > This type of legislation in not made so folks can "enjoy
> their public
> > lands"
> > > it is made so lands can be developed.  Developement takes
> lands out of
> > > use--by destroying trails and trail heads, blocking trail
> heads and
> other
> > > access to public lands.
> > >
> > > While laws can be changed and "enviromentalists" can be
> negioitiated
> with,
> > > you can't negotiate with a gated community, a house built on the
> > trailhead,
> > > a golf course or a Walmart.  They are here to stay.   Be
> carefull what
> you
> > > wish for.
> > >
> > > Happy Trails,
> > > Maureen
> > > Reno, NV
> > >
> > > (who has seen land and trail lost to all of the above, and more)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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