Ridecamp: Re: [RC] I am amazed, too

Actually Pat, I think it was Colleen who said that, not Betsy.
At any rate....the only reason *I'm* glad I don't live in Oregon right now 
is because of all the fires (see that, everyone? Thats my attempt at 
changing the subject). I live in Northern California (about 30 miles south 
of Orick, where the Redwood ride was) and we've had quite a bit of smoke 
from the fires up there.

I hope they don't last too much longer but I heard someone say we're going 
to have to wait for Winter before they are out. If thats the case, I'd 
rather deal with an early winter than those fires. So bring on the rain!!

Renee

<<At 01:40 PM 08/22/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> Whoa there, Betsy! I am so happy to be here in Oregon. We have wonderful
> trails, for the most part a good working relationship with USFS and some of
> the greatest people in the world to ride, train and compete with. Most of
> all, these are folks who love to laugh and they love their horses and the
> sport and although I do not compete on the level of some of these top
> riders, they are always gracious and friendly and inclusive. You could do a
> whole lot worse than live and ride in Oregon.
> Pat
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Colleen Egleston" <baxtersfarm@xxxxxxx>
> To: <heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 1:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [RC] I am amazed, too
>
>
> > Am I the only one whose glad they don't live in Oregon because of these
> > posts?  I would like to live there and be near amber though, she's a cool
> > chick in my book.
> >
> > C.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RC] I am amazed, too
> >
> >
> > > > Sharon Westergard goripper@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Yes, let's ask Tribbys and Sarah.  And also ask Steph Teeter
> > > > how we ended up with the Sunriver ride.  Heidi, you opened the door!
> > >
> > > I settled for the fact that I got a private apology from Steph after the
> > > fact.  Too bad others can't get on with their lives as well.  I hope
> that
> > > Steph will forgive me for quoting a part of her private post here, but
> she
> > > apologized that as an "overzealous and brand-new director" she had
> > > "listened to the screamers" regarding the situation with the Sunriver
> > > ride.  I appreciate her honesty and candor, and it has gone a long way
> > > toward helping me get rid of some of my own anger about the backstabbing
> > > that went on at that time.  I do know that at the AERC convention that
> > > year, you talked to Dennis Tribby regarding Sunriver and then went to
> > > Steph and reported something completely opposite to what Dennis told
> you.
> > > At the time, I was pretty angry with Steph for not checking her sources
> a
> > > little better, but in retrospect, her apology is sufficient for me.
> Move
> > > forward, Sharon--the rest of us are trying to.  Including Steph,
> methinks.
> > > > BTW, we've lost rides in Oregon this year not because of the Forest
> > > > Service being hard to work with....we lost them this year because
> we're
> > > > burning up!!!
> > >
> > > As I pointed out, twice we went through the fire problem and still held
> > > Paulina--granted, your fires were worse this year, although in both of
> our
> > > cases, we had actual parts of our trail burned and had to accommodate
> > > active fire-fighting efforts in our traffic control strategies--but it
> is
> > > my understanding (per a guest post to this forum from Linda Tribby) that
> > > AERC would have allowed a substitute ride for Headwaters, but that it
> was
> > > the USFS that would not allow the use of an existing trail elsewhere on
> > > short notice.  I don't see anywhere that Santiam even attempted to find
> a
> > > substitute trail (maybe they did and just didn't make their efforts
> > > public, I don't know)--and I'd imagine they would have come up with the
> > > same problem.  I know Linda and Sarah tried hard to help the Oregon
> riders
> > > out, and I'm not surprised that the USFS in central Oregon was the only
> > > obstacle they could not surmount.
> > > I just got off the phone with Linda Tribby--I understand they are still
> > > battling to save the Bandit Springs campsite.  And no, Sharon, if that
> > > ride is lost, it doesn't have a thing to do with fire--just more USFS
> > > arbitrary rulings and interpretations of the regs without regard to the
> > > public that actually owns and uses the land.  I sure hope you don't
> throw
> > > the same rotten eggs at the Tribbys for their valiant efforts that you
> > > have thrown at me.  Dennis, bless his heart, did almost all of the legal
> > > research for my own efforts, and stood behind me the entire time, and I
> > > wish the Tribbys the best of luck in their efforts to continue the fight
> > > to preserve endurance riders' access to public lands in central Oregon.
> I
> > > was pleased to hear from Linda how many folks are beginning to get the
> > > picture and are getting behind THEIR efforts now to save Bandit Springs
> > > with public meetings and support.  And I hope everyone in the NW will
> > > contact Linda to see how they can lend support.  She can be reached at
> > > ltribby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > I was gratified by the number of folks who contacted me after the fact
> and
> > > were sorry that they could not have done something to help in our own
> > > efforts three years ago.  A few sniping posts on Internet lists from a
> few
> > > detractors notwithstanding, most of the people in this sport are truly
> > > caring people, and in this case, a great many were supportive of our
> > > efforts.  To all of those who may be lurking, I offer you my gratitude
> and
> > > a belated Thank You.  Steph has urged me to get over my bitterness about
> > > this and become a ride manager again--and I hope those of you who
> > > supported us in Oregon will make the trek to Idaho and ride, should we
> do
> > > so.
> > > And like so many others, I am amazed that a few folks continue to insist
> > > on dredging up old grudges, when we have so many other more current
> topics
> > > to discuss on this forum.
> > > Heidi
> > >
> > >
> > >
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