Ridecamp: RE: [RC] What Constitutes a Start?

Ok... I'm going to stick my neck out on this issue. I believe that this
falls within the 'jurisdiction' of the ride manager, not AERC rules. AERC
does not address this in its rules. Nor does it state anywhere that a ride
manager MUST list every horse/rider that saddles up and starts out as either
a pull or a completion. At one of my rides, a rider started out, was back in
a few minutes stating her horse was off. I refunded the rider her entry fee,
and scratched her from the start list. There was nothing to indicate to me,
as ride manager that this was Wrong. What is the big deal here? It wasn't
even until recently that AERC started listing pulls at all in the printed
results. Most people are more concerned with completions.

When I refunded the rider her entry fee - AERC lost out on $4, and I as ride
manager lost out on $60. This was my choice. If this person had spent time
warming up the horse before the ride, she would have come to me before the
starting time and asked to withdraw from the ride - before she started.

I don't believe that I violated any AERC rules. Nor do I believe Dave
violated any AERC rules. There is no rule in existence that states "once a
rider begins forward motion on the designated course, he/she must be
considered a starter, and subsequently listed in the official ride results".
Maybe there should be, and will be. But right now there isn't and this is
one of those things that most ride managers just do. (probably more in the
interest of keeping entry fees than anything else).

Truman - what would a protest look like in this case? What would you (or the
BOD) protest?

Steph

-----Original Message-----
From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Truman Prevatt
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:30 PM
To: Merryben@xxxxxxx
Cc: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [RC] What Constitutes a Start?


Merryvben,

It is the AERC that is the aggrieved party in this case, not Angie. The
AERC was denied funds based on this action. Based on his post to
ridecamp, it also seems this is common practice on Dr. Nicholson's
rides. So in my opinion it is the AERC BOD that should be filing a
protest on behalf of all the members and ride managers that do follow
the rules concerning listing all starters and pay all relevant fees to
our organization, the AERC so that an end is put to practice. You and
any members of the BOD on line that read this post, consider it a open
letter to all BOD members.

Truman

Merryben@xxxxxxx wrote:

>
>
>My advice is the same that I give to anyone with a gripe, good or bad.  If
you feel that strongly about changing one 50 mile ride, file a protest.
Otherwise, give it up.....This is getting way out of hand and deteriorating
into outright trashing of two people I happen to consider friends........mb
>




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