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    Maryanne Stroud Gabbani wrote:

    Yes, WNV has been in the Middle East for a long time and isn't a big deal.
    However, North America is what's called a "naive" population---no prior
    exposure whatsoever, no protective antibodies from mom through the
    colostrum, no warning.
    Susan G

    I've been having a parallel discussion on another list for the last couple
    of days and someone suggested that the reason for all the worry is that it
    is a NEW disease. But as a horse owner in Egypt, I've had to teach myself a
    lot of veterinary med (I've always been fascinated by epidemiology
    though...gruesome hobby but useful <G> here in the land of bugs). As someone
    who moved 4 and 7 year old kids to Egypt years ago, the "no immunity to
    strange bugs" thing worried me quite a bit as a parent. However, I found
    that a diet low in junk food and a decent emphasis on cleanliness and common
    sense kept my kids healthier than most of their local counterparts. I'm
    being lazy by copying my response to the other list, but it covers most of
    the points brought up on Ridecamp. There are a zillion varieties of viruses
    and whatnot that can cause encephalitis. WNV in itself is, as Truman pointed
    out, much less of a threat than St. Louis or Eastern Equine. But it isn't
    the WNV that kills the horses or people...it's their reaction to the
    challenge to the immune system. Not like pneumonia bacteria that CAUSE gunk
    to clog lungs...you can get encephalitis as a reaction to lots of things.
    Reyes Syndrome is a form of encephalitis too I believe that can be brought
    on by using aspirin when a child has a cold.

    First off, there are almost NO viruses or diseases that are NOT
    here...except some of the truly exotic like African Horse Disease or Ebola.
    Second, I don't think that it has anything to do with natural immunity
    because if it did then all the jumpers that are imported by the Equestrian
    Federation from Holland annually should immediately drop dead....instead
    they are usually ridden to exhaustion and bought up by farmers and less
    wealthy riders to be nursed back to health.  And this is a situation that
    has been going on for the 15 years that I've been here all of which was
    pre-WNV concern. The disease was here but no one in the US had gotten it.
    West Nile has been in Europe for some years as well....is it frontpage news
    on Le Monde? No. My points are these:

    1) The American media is far tooooo sales driven and will happily whip up a
    media frenzy over anything that will boost sales. WNV is a perfect example.
    Yes, the US media is free of censorship; but what bothers me is that so
    often it also seems to be free of common sense and a sense of balance other
    than the balance sheet.

    Oh no you aren't say our media wants to sell newpapers and up their ratings! Say it ain't so! That's pretty much why I tend to listen to NPR. They tend to be much more balanced, talk to people who really know something and don't stir up dust just to stir up dust. And what I have heard is pretty much what you are saying.

    The other issue is not only is this vaccine untested for effectivity it is untested for long term side effects. It is untested for long term use, it is untested when used in conjunction of other vaccines. While I vaccinated last year when it first hit FL since my conservative vet finally said it might be a good idea ( he was advising against it until about Oct of last year). Will I vaccine against it again, maybe but it's not for sure. I keep going back to the facts that many horses and humans for that matter get it with no symptoms and get over it.

    I am not going to start slathering DEET on me just because of WN. I'm not going to start spraying large amounts of insecticide around the place just because of it. I'm in the open with little water around and have very few mosquitoes so the risk from insecticide would probably be greater than the risk from WN. If there were a WN vaccine for humans would I get one, absolutely not. How many drugs and vaccines have been pulled off the market in the past 10 years - most with a lot more testing than this one. I don't get flu shots. The last flu shot I got I got the flu. Many years ago when I was in service to "Her Majesty the Queen" I was doing a lot of traveling to various parts of the world and had to get all these vaccinations for these awful conditions - most I never heard of. This was the unhealthiest time in my life.

    Each person needs to make their decision based on their own circumstances but basing the decision on the popular media reports is not a good way to make a good logical risk assessment.

    Truman



    2) Just maybe trying to get rid of all these diseases and viruses by vaccinations and super-supplementations is working against you. Immune systems that are challenged by parasites and diseases often build up the immunity to meet the challenge of another disease. Do I worm my horses? Absolutely, because even the forage grown for them is likely tainted with the eggs of some parasite or other from the millions of four-legged denizens of the countryside. Do I vaccinate my horses? Yes. Against tetanus and salmonella, two things that they can't build up an immunity to, and rhino for broodmares. We don't have strangles vaccine here so we have to just pay closer attention to our horses and practice quarantine as much as possible.

    When everyone was going berserk over hoof and mouth a while back, I asked a
    senior journalist friend of mine who lives in the country near my stable
    whether Egypt had a hoof and mouth problem. His reply? "Sure, we have hoof
    and mouth, after all we have migrating herds of sheep and goats, as well as
    water buffalo who wander around. Is it a problem? No. These animals are not
    for industrial use where every little drop in production is important to
    some accountant. If a farmer's sheep comes down with hoof and mouth, the
    highest likelihood is that he will do one of two things: nurse it through or
    throw a barbecue." It's the idea that sometimes you have to learn to live
    WITH disease that's been forgotten in the US. They aren't going to go away,
    the best you can do is try to manage your response.

    I raise rat-hunting dogs for farms and grain silos because they are safer
    than poisons. They will never eliminate rats. They will only control them.
    American cities are overrun with rats. There are more rats than people in
    New York and Boston and rats carry diseases that will REALLY kill people and
    animals in much larger numbers than WNV, but people still haven't come up
    with a way to maintain rat populations at safe levels. A sterile, safe
    environment is amazingly boring, probably impossible and will probably
    weaken us to the point that one bite of a big Mac could prove fatal.

    We've had more than the average number of equine deaths with encephalitis
    symptoms this summer as well. The only thing is, we don't know what kind or
    what has caused it. There are only a few hundred possible vectors from
    birds, ticks, mosquitos to cows, pigs, and chickens for encephalitis, which
    is, after all, not a disease but the reaction to a disease or disturbance of
    the immune system in which there is an inflammation of the brain and neural
    tissue. I had a childhood friend who got it from a case of the measles. The
    point is that we share this planet with a lot of interesting other life
    forms, but it seems to be easier to forget that fact some places than it is
    in others.

    Maryanne Stroud Gabbani
    Cairo, Egypt
    maryanne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    www.ratbusters.net



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