Re: RC: Re: ivomec

[Bette Lamore <woa@stormnet.com>]

Hi Laura
It's 1 cc per 100 pound but I give all my Arabs, who range from
weanlings to 16.2 Halynov the same 10 cc. and every other month on the
adults and every month on weanlings. My vet recommended that due to
their propensity to get worms and the serious consequences of worms in
babies. It can effect their whole ability to later become an athlete.
The high dosage does not seem to hurt them and as Heidi says, there is
nothing in the research to indicate there could be problems with this
(and believe me, I think the non-ivermectin wormer companies would try
to find problems if they could).
SMZs, also called Bactrim for humans, double strength (which is what's
used for horses) are 800mg sulfamethoxazole and 160 mg. trimethoprim.
Although they were first used in people, (1 twice a day) for urinary
infections, they are now used by vets for respiratory infections in
horses. If I see a foal with a runny nose that is not caused by dust and
that lasts for more than a few days and I am beginning to hear noises I
don't like (long before pops and whistles in the lungs) I will use SMZs
as my first line of defense. It is a broad base sulfa drug that works
with many types of bacteria. It appears to have less side effects than
some of the stronger "cillins" and gentomycin (I know I'm spelling that
wrong, Heidi, but hey, it's been years since I've had to use it, thank
goodness). One of the side effects I'm talking about is getting kicked
when you're giving your baby, or full grown horse, for that matter, his
umpteenth shot in the rear muscle. Ouch! SMZs are oral and good when you
can catch an infection in the early stages.
Funny story: one Christmas Eve I got a bladder infection and called a
urologist. I told him I had some SMZs but had used them 2 months ago for
the same thing. Should I do it again? He said yes and asked how many I
had on hand. I told him about 500; there was a silence. I guess he
figured I had a REAL problem. 
Here I am treading on soft ground because I am not a vet: however, with
over 70 horses at one time I had a choice to learn about such things or
go bankrupt. The local vets now just send RXs for me so that I can nip
things in the bud. Not good to do, of course, unless you have served an
internship which I guess I have through the years. Of course I still
call or see a vet if it is something I can't handle.
My best friend is head of pharmacology at USC Medical Center; she keeps
me abreast of developments in the human sector and then I go to my vets
and see if there is anything parallel in the horse world. Actually,
usually the vets are ahead of the physicians. Take for example joint
disease. Vet schools did all the major breakthroughs. Why? Because there
is a lot of money in race horses (not much in people jogging).
I told Charlie Boles I'd much prefer to go to him for surgery than a
human doctor and he said (this was several years ago before the 
negative info came out) that if he jumped to humans it would be a
specialty in breast implants. Looks like some vets decided to go into
that field in horses, implants that is. (bad joke).
Well I've probably over killed your question. That will teach you to ask
me something!
Cheers
Bette
Whispering Oaks Arabians

Laura Nielsen wrote:
> 
> Bette,
> 
> The 10 cc of Ivermec doses what weight of horse??  Is it 1 cc per 100 lbs??
> Also, what are SMZs?
> 
> Big Thanks,
> 
> Laura
> N. Fla.
> Bette Lamore wrote:
> 
> > Hi Sally
> > I was advised by actually 4 vets (one being the famous Charlie Boles,
> > vet to the Olympics) that the injectible Ivermec for cattle (not the
> > Plus) was the same thing as Zymectin and about one third the cost. I buy
> > a 500cc bottle and pull out 10cc with a needle but then take off the
> > needle and shoot it in their mouths. It's great! It's oily so it sticks
> > to their mouths--they  can't spit it out like they can the paste. The
> > bottle cost me under $300 and does 50 horses (which my herd vacillated
> > between 70 and 40 for years until I just got down to 25). Quite a
> > savings at less than $6 a horse compared to $15-18/horse.
> > I also learned that you could give foals (and adult horses) Glen Oaks
> > yogurt (they liked strawberry over raspberry and didn't like banana at
> > all!) for scours and also put SMZs, etc. in it rather than probiotics
> > which were much more expensive. Necessity forced me to find alternatives
> > that worked and yet kept my husband from leaving home over my expensive
> > "habit".
> > BTW When you used the pour-on, did you pour it on? Sounds like a stupid
> > question, huh, but I never assume anything anymore. You never know what
> > works.
> > Bette
> >
> > SL S wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Betty,
> > >
> > > Just curious which formulation of cattle ivermectin you are using on horses:
> > > Are you using injectable 1% Ivomec and giving 10 cc of that IM, or using
> > > pour-on, or are you giving something by mouth?  If so, which type?  Didn't
> > > know about using the injectable stuff orally if that's what you're
> > > doing...although I do use it for heartworm prevention in my dogs.  (Love
> > > beating the pharmaceutical co.s at their game.)
> > >
> > > I've been using the Ivomec pour-on for cattle on my horses with great
> > > results, about half the cost of oral paste ivermectin.  Now the stores
> > > around here are only carrying the new product, eprinomectin, because the
> > > cattlemen do not have to wait a month before slaughtering the animal or
> > > using the milk.  Don't know if the eprinomectin is okay for horses or if it
> > > gets bots...my guess is YES, but no responses to my queries.  I know the
> > > drug company isn't going to reveal that secret if at all possible...but I'm
> > > not finished sleuthing.
> > >
> > > Thanks for info,
> > >
> > > Sally Spangler in Floyd, VA
> >
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